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THE SAAB SAGA: IT'S OVER
Posted 19 December 2011 - 12:39 PM
Posted 19 December 2011 - 05:27 PM
American cars are weight lifters. British cars are the athletes.
Posted 19 December 2011 - 05:49 PM
Really nice motors that pioneered FWD.
I don't think either of those are true.
I can't say anything was remarkable or notable about SAAB, maybe that Tony Scott advert in the 80's (earned him the job as director of Top Gun) and that they burnt a lot of oil.
Ugly cars owned by awkward people IMHO.
Posted 19 December 2011 - 05:50 PM
Oh yeah I did have a 930 killer when I was done with the modifications to the 900..
Posted 20 December 2011 - 02:44 AM
I liked the way the ignition key was on the tunnel and locked the gearstick in reverse but, there again, I hate how so many manufacturers put the key out of sight on the side of the steering column. Were noted for being very ergonomic and not followers of fashion but lost their way, probably before GM bought them. So they ended up as not being mainstream but not special either so why would you buy them?
Always a shame for a manufacturer to go down the pan and people to lose their jobs but, as far as the actual product, it won't be missed by many, particularly Paul C.
Posted 22 December 2011 - 11:19 PM
Posted 23 December 2011 - 04:43 AM
Back in 1980, I was the only one in town making it through the snowed in streets save the plows. SAAB brought Turbos back to the public consumer and had the best engine management (APC) of the time. Loads of space (93 cu/ft) behind the front seats (heated), heated folding side mirrors, 33 mpg on the highway, and then, GM bought 'em and killed them using GM shelf parts for things like suspension, etc. Terrible cars. After GM took over (1993) they became utter junk on many points and I never looked at them again. Oh yeah, I did have a close friend look after them, he was a SAAB Master mechanic and worked for several dealerships. lol
When the remaining 1986 900T finally commits suicide which appears imminent, I hope I can find be yet another Toyota Venza as its replacement. For certain, the 900T will be sorely missed (for its utility).
Edited by MikieP, 23 December 2011 - 04:47 AM.
Posted 23 December 2011 - 08:26 AM
I don't think either of those are true.
I can't say anything was remarkable or notable about SAAB...
Ugly cars owned by awkward people IMHO.
Im not really a great Saab fan but at least they seamed to offer very different designs from most of the other car makers. I think the car market place could become even more similar in design to each other with out Saab mixing it up a bit.
Posted 23 December 2011 - 06:40 PM
Posted 23 December 2011 - 07:28 PM
Speak to anyone really passionate about Saab and they will 100% always be talking about:
Cars they used to make.
Not the 'deputy headmaster' also ran crap they have been churning out for the last few years.
Saab are like Woolworths, it's like 'Boo hoo, it's so sad they are gone'.
But at the time of death they were hideously sh1te and not like the 'good old days' that the people that (no longer shopped there) lament about.
Posted 23 December 2011 - 11:30 PM
As a matter of fact...........this is also Saab..........
Undermentioned a couple of Saab odometer positions from members of the Dutch Saab-Forum.....................
745.000 km Thom Saab 99 2.1-16 LPG 1982
556.000 km Gerardus Saab 9000 LPT 2.0 LPG 1996
490.094 km turbopilot saab 99 GL CM4 LPG 1979
468.800 km Bibi Saab 900 GL, LPG 1984
453.000 km emiel00 Saab 9-5 2.0t LPG-G3 1998
451.781 km Mikey Saab 900NG 2.0i LPG 1997
450.000 km Peter Lucas Saab 9-5 2,3 SE aut. LPG 2001
445.300 km Vjenne Saab 9-3 2.0 LPG 1998
438.350 km Tool Saab 99 Turbo II Benzine 1979
434.000 km Gijsmondria Saab 9-5 2.3t Benzine 1997
425.000 km Data58 Saab 900 2.0i LPG 1996
423.000 km nelfrikandel 9-5 Estate 2.0t AUT LPG 2003
415.000 km paulzee 900T8 benzine 1989
415.000 km emiel00 9000 2.0i LPG-G3 1997
410.908 km Injectie 9000 CSE LPG 1997
410.328 km Paul Viking 9-3 TID Diesel 1999
410.000 km Twingo 9-3 TiD Diesel 2000
408.000 km Tenfour 900 Classic 2.0i LPG 1993
One million kilometers with a Classic Saab is far from rare; there are several ones on the Continent........
Even ......one million MILES..... with one and the same Saab is also possible......
undermentioned a message from 12-6-2006......
MILWAUKEE — As a traveling salesman, Peter Gilbert has put a few miles on his car — 1,001,385 miles, to be precise.
It took the Glendale, Wisc, man 17 years to cross the million mile mark with his 1989 Saab 900 SPG. He recently donated the durable vehicle to the Wisconsin Automotive Museum after Saab verified the mileage.
The transmission was rebuilt at 200,000 miles and the hood and a few other parts replaced after eight deer collisions, but otherwise it has original equipment.
Gilbert bought the Saab for $29,000. It was his treat after a divorce, and he took meticulous care of it. He used premium, synthetic oil in oil changes, changed the tires every 45,000 miles and strictly followed the maintenance schedule.
He drove the car seven days a week, racking up the miles as his work took him through rural Wisconsin.
Not burning oil
"When I hit 600,000 miles, the car still wasn't burning oil," Gilbert said. "That's when I thought it could go a million miles."
But Wisconsin's harsh winters took a toll on the car. Its sporty exterior still looks good, but road salt has rusted its frame. Gilbert realized it might no longer be safe if he hit another deer or had a serious accident.
"There was no point in driving the car any longer," he said. "Even though it might have gone another million miles."
He had it detailed and parked it at the Hartford museum, which houses a number of rare vehicles.
In 17 years the car used more than 600 quarts of synthetic Mobil-1 motor oil, which can travel significantly more miles between oil changes than regular oil.
In its time, the car burned two tanker-truck-loads of premium gasoline and averaged about 28 mpg.
It went through about 22 sets of tires, changed every 45,000 miles.
The transmission was replaced at about 200,000 miles, but the engine was largely untouched.
The engine head gasket was replaced three times because constant warming and cooling stretched it.
Then Gilbert bought another Saab with fewer miles.
Edited by Ruud, 23 December 2011 - 11:34 PM.
Posted 25 December 2011 - 04:46 PM
I see the dig at my burning oil comment but you are talking about a car made by SAAB over 20 years ago, do you think if they had been reliable and look good in the last 10 years they would be bankrupt? I think their cars would be everywhere.
Posted 28 December 2011 - 10:53 PM
By the way my 1988 Audi 80 Quattro has gone over 600,000 miles with a engine replacement at 267k for burning oil. Drivetrain / transmission original.
Edited by robert87hci, 28 December 2011 - 10:55 PM.
Posted 02 January 2012 - 12:20 AM
Posted 03 January 2012 - 11:00 PM
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Posted 04 January 2012 - 10:36 AM
They just looked more and more like Volvo and Mazda to me. Seem to fill the gaps between other brands rather than expanding the range of car design in the market. I can't think of any SAAB on the road from the last 10/20 years that was very different from anything else, have you got a particular model in mind?
Actually they looked more like Opel and Vauxhaul, which they in fact were.
It went downhill with Saab after GM took over, which sounds a bit familiar to the Lotus experience with GM.
Posted 04 January 2012 - 11:01 AM
There subsidurie Visteon manfactured dashboards, speedos, climate control systems for many manufacturers. GM has an equivalent called Delphi. Therefore it all gets mixed up.
Look at Audi and Lambo for another example. R8 and Gallardo run same engine, switch gear, and I belive the RS range do as well.
SAAB were Retro cool, but that was the issue they were Cool once.
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Posted 05 January 2012 - 03:39 PM
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