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  1. Just because there are no cars currently to enhance doesn't mean the effect won't translate to future cars. However, Lotus needs to get some new cars out in the next 3 years. Not just Evoras with a little more HP and carbon fiber. They need some new stuff.
  2. I don't think they necessarily mean luxury like Rolls Royce. The Evija or any current Lotus is hardly luxurious on the inside.
  3. I didn't know this either. I know they moved into the Ann Arbor engineering facility years ago. My guess is probably not enough room there to house both their NA engineering and Lotus Cars staff long term. Maybe once they got some Geely money they moved.
  4. I have owned an Elise, Evora S and now an Evora 400. I had very few issues with my Elise, owned it for almost 7 years. I did have some electrical issues with my S (a somewhat common problem). They could not get it fixed before warranty expired but, the dealer agreed to warranty the electrical issue even past the Lotus factory warranty. Eventually the issue did get figured out. I traded my S towards a brand new 400. I have owned it 2 years and 2 months. I have had one warranty issue, an A-pillar seal that came loose (common issue). I have never been denied a warranty claim. Honestly I think some warranty issues being denied has more to do with the dealer not fighting for the customer enough. Seems a lot of horror stories come out the same dealers. I bought and serviced all mine at AutoEurope (Michigan, U.S.) and they have been nothing but great to deal with every warranty claim was accepted without any money out of my pocket. I was actually looking into the the Guilia Quad for a daily, but i have heard nothing but horror stories in regards to reliability. Its a real shame. I know some people here have gotten some bad 400s, but honestly my 400 may be the best car experience I have ever had in the first 2 years of ownership. Its been rock solid (knock-on wood, err composite?). Most Evora owners aren't even on this forum and the ones that haven't had problems aren't posting about how trouble free their car has been (unless asked). Almost any car forum makes that car out to seem much worse than it actually is due to selection bias.
  5. This is probably best idea. IMO no point in making an SUV until the Lotus brand and dealership network has been built back up more. It would be awesome if Geely allows them to create it from ground up instead of using existing platform.
  6. To be fair to the auto in regards to reviewers. I have seen very, very few reviews of auto Evoras, especially 400 or newer. Most reviewers say "if you get a car like this, it should be a manual". I doubt any of them even drove the auto version. That being said... I own an auto 400 and I agree with you. I do think due to the nature of the Evora that the manual versions will hold there value better. The only way I see the auto holding value close to the manual in the long run is if the Lotus brand makes a huge jump into the Ferrari, Lambo, McLaren territory. If this happens then the Evora will for sure become a car for some posers. People who want a car with a Lotus badge, but in no way could ever afford a new one. I am not saying these posers will bring the Evora values up to collector values or even their original value. But due to the rarity of the Evora combined with this (theoretical) new found demand for anything Lotus I could see values for both manual and auto holding quite well, at least in the US market, which seems more accepting of autos. Of course at this point this may be a long shot as Lotus still has a lot of work to do to bring the brand up to prominence and that could be decade down the road.
  7. Better be careful making such claims around these parts. Its a widely known "fact" that the 400 front is the ugliest thing ever made.
  8. Always hard to predict. I mean its possible that if Lotus is able to rebuild their brand into something close to the big boys then older (at that point in time) Toyota-powered Lotus may become more desirable partly or mainly for the LOTUS badge. If that's the case you may see Evoras become more in demand and more desirable to people who maybe can't afford a new Lotus, but still want to own one. In that case you may be right, those people may be less inclined towards a manual.
  9. Had this problem on me 400 as well, but don't remember having it on my S. Not sure if I had same glasses then though. It does actually warn you of this in the manual.
  10. I have owned an S IPS and currently own a 400 Auto. The 400 shifts much faster than the S, I mean way faster. It actually surprised me. I originally tested a stick, when I was test driving the 400s. In fact I believe it was Loquacious Lew's Green 400 from AutoEurope before he bought it. Stick was great. I never drove an S1 stick, but I did own an Elise and it was way nicer than that. After driving stick I thought for sure I was going to get a stick even though the main reason I got an S IPS was because it would be driven in traffic. Then I tested the 400 auto. Holy crap, it shifted way quicker than my S ever did. It was like night and day. So in regards to your quote, most of it just isn't true in my experience. In auto + sport it seems to shift at red line (assuming you are on it). If you are half throttling or something of course it won't go to red line. Gear changes are quick, surprisingly quick for a torque converter. Again, assuming you are on it. Manual + sport shifts are quick, but again, if you are more leisurely driving it does shift a little slower than compared to if you are driving more aggressive. The one thing the 400 auto does have is shift shock (in sport, smooth in normal). The shifts can sometimes be jarring and are not close to as smooth as a good dual clutch. Sometimes is is fun because it gives you a real kick in the ass, but at the same time it can sometimes be annoying. I think a lot of people underestimate the 400 auto. I think they think its basically the S1, its not. Whatever they did to the TCU made a huge difference. That being said I agree with others. The manual variants will most likely hold their value better than the auto. When I bought my 400 I thought I would be driving it more in traffic situations like my S. However, I began working from home,very soon after purchasing. Knowing what I know now about my professional life I would have gotten the stick, but in all honesty the auto shifts quicker than I can. So (at least in my hands) the auto is the faster car. Honestly the whole gatekeeping on these forums in regards to auto vs. manual I feel is pretty lame. Who cares what someone prefers? I can drive stick, however I got an auto because I thought it would be the best for my situation at the time. I would never hate on someone's choice to buy an auto over a stick. Especially in a GT car like the Evora.
  11. Agreed. Plus you have a a lot of Silicon Valley and Hollywood elites that may jump at the prospect of purchasing an insane electric hypercar.
  12. I don't remember this survey, can you link to your results? You could say the exact same thing about the Evora, the huge difference being that the Evora is a 10 year old car that's at the end of its life and the NSX is what? 2-3 years old? The reality is many new Evora GTs will most likely be bought by existing Lotus owners. Its pretty much the end of the line for the Evora anyways and its not like Lotus just shipped 5000 new Evora GTs out. So it doesn't really hurt Lotus all that much. It would be a much worse scenario if Lotus just launched the Evora and days later it already got trumped easily by the C8. Lotus is actually in a pretty good position right now. They are working on a new line-up of cars and running out the current line-up. The C8 will be out soon, so they know what the competition is way before releasing their new cars. It would have been way worse if Lotus just released a new $180k Esprit and the C8 was 80% or 90% of that car. Or a new Evora-like car for $120k, to find out the C8 beats it in almost every category. That's not the say the C8 won't affect Lotus. It will affect almost every sports car (new and used) within a $100k price window to some degree. I agree with @Ccdthe R8 & NSX look way less appealing now. I have to imagine the used R8 and NSX prices are going to take major hit over the next year as well.
  13. Went to Cars & Coffee at the Gilmore Car Museum in Hickory Corners, Michigan, USA. Never been there before. An amazing place. I would suggest anyone visiting west Michigan who likes cars to visit. More pics of the event: Museum site:
  14. Yeah people really need to stop quoting the $60k price. Its bottom of the barrel no options. No dealer will bother selling a completely base C8. You would probably have to order it from the factory to get one, that will be mostly rental car companies. My guess is a modestly optioned C8 will be at least $75k, if not $80k. Still great bang for your buck and still going to beat an Evora in most aspects. Honestly though, the Evora may be the sports car least affected in its price class. Most people shopping for an Evora want an Evora. I am more interested in seeing how it affects some used super cars in the $80k - $130k price range like the R8 V10.
  15. Yeah the $60k (USD) base price it pretty misleading. No dealer is going to sell base versions of the C8. I have to imagine modestly configured will be at least $75 - $80k. Still great bang for your buck.
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