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  1. I mean he really didn't change that much. Not sure the 4 exhaust or taillight changes add anything, having the body color strip under the black area on the side actually looks pretty good.
  2. The AMG throws a real kink in my plans. I wanted to get a manual Emira, but if the AMG will eventually exceed the V6 in power and completely replace it (which sounds like is the plan someday) I am not sure what to do. If I am losing the manual then I would rather it be DCT than torque converter, but at the same time the sound of the V6 and having one of the last manual production cars that may ever be made is appealing.
  3. Its mounted exactly like the Evora's engine. Yes its mounted transversely so it makes it appear off center.
  4. Likuid

    Lotus Emira

    I just want to say I called it that the AMG may be the "higher end" version and may be the more powerful version over a month ago. I have a feeling Lotus may be attempting to stay vague on power specs and prices, I assume to throw competition off? I can't imagine Lotus doesn't know what kind of power and how much they will be charging yet. However, it is very confusing for the customer.
  5. Likuid

    Lotus Emira

    Makes you wonder where Lotus would be if Geely bought them 10 or 15 years ago. At this point makes it hard to justify doing a high HP ICE car when electric is on the horizon. I think this kind of makes my point though, Geely obviously didn't want to invest a ton into the Emira with electric coming soon. Hopefully Lotus will get everything they can out of the AMG before ICE is gone forever. I really wanted manual, but if the AMG is meant to eventually exceed the V6 then I may wait and see. At least the AMG is DCT and not a torque converter.
  6. Likuid

    Lotus Emira

    Yeah, I was hoping the top 'o the line Emira was going to get close to the 500HP mark as well. After they said it would be 2-seater only I was hoping that extra space was going to be utilized for more than luggage space, which is what it already essentially was in the Evora for most people anyways. While I understand that they have redesigned certain bits of the chassis its hard not to see the Emira as a re-skinned Evora with more modern looks and a better interior. While I have no issue with that, because the Evora was a great car, offering similar power to the Evora and using the same Toyota V6 and not even attempting to take it beyond what we have already seen is questionable to me. Makes me think very little investment was put into the Emira. I kind of feel Geely doesn't really give a shit about the Emira and probably did not offer a ton of investment for the project, they obviously care more about the electric future and SUVs. While it seems there is some hype behind the Emira, I think once everyone gets used to the looks and new interior they are going to fall back to wanting more performance. From a business stand point I don't understand why Lotus didn't come out with more of the bang when it comes to the performance. Essentially offering comparable power to your competitors doesn't make a ton of sense to me. Lotus isn't Porsche. They don't have dealers everywhere and the brand cache has taken a significant hit over the decades, you need some more bait to bring in people IMO. Its not like the Emira offers more tech the the competition. The looks may help it sell well (for a Lotus) for a year, but just think of how much more interest there would have been if they also clearly beat the competition in performance as well. I have a feeling interest will fall off pretty quickly if its another round of Emira losing to the competition in head-to-head tests and constantly trying to playing catch up just like the Evora. Maybe I am wrong. Hopefully Lotus has some tricks up their sleeve. It reminds me of the Simpson's episode where Lisa creates a new Barbie-like doll that all the girls want and then Barbie comes out with a version with a new hat and nothing else different and no one wants Lisa's doll anymore. "Oooo the Emira looks so great! Lovely interior!" Porsche: "Check out the new Cayman, looks just like the old one, but has a couple more small vents on the side." Everyone: "Emira who?"
  7. I have a feeling that's part of the reason for no targa or convertible was announced. Other part is cost of crash testing. Although I am sure if Emira is big hit Lotus will consider doing a targa or convertible, but maybe would require larger sills?
  8. This is kind of where I am at and probably somewhat had to do with my initial disappointment in the Emira. To me the move from my 400 to the Emira feels like a more horizontal move, based on the current performance numbers we have been given. I might drive me 400 1 or 2 days a week during the driving time of year. For 4 or 5 months of the year it sits because of winter. So while the tech and improved looks are very nice, its still hard to justify right now without also seeing a performance jump. I am sure they will get there eventually with the Emira and maybe that day is the day I put in my order.
  9. Ever since the Evija Lotus has been very vague on performance numbers. Is this some kind of subterfuge or is this them truly not knowing? I find it really hard to believe that with both the Evija and Emira, which have been in development for over 2.5 years, they don't have any performance figures really nailed down? Yes I know the claimed 2000HP of the Evija, but even in some interviews its eluded to that it may end up with more. Now I would be shocked if the Emira V6 had 500HP, but I could see it at least being the 416 of the Evora GT or the 430 of the GT430. Its almost like Lotus doesn't want the competition to know the final numbers.
  10. Likuid

    Lotus Emira

    Car looks great, its specs however are very disappointing and its not a shock Lotus didn't really even talk about them during the presentation. Even they seem embarrassed of them. Nissan 400Z will have 400HP at $30k USD. This is starting at over $80k with less HP and weighs more than an Evora (even if just slightly)? This car should have launched at 450HP at the absolute minimum for the V6. At these specs Lotus is going to get nowhere near their target IMO. Looks and tech only take you so far, I don't see this out performing its rivals and in the end that was the most important thing it needed to do. I know eventually there will be higher HP version, but this is actually worse than I would have even guessed. The good news is I don't feel like I need to sell my Evora anytime soon.
  11. I don't know if I ever seen anyone driving Hethel in sunny weather, so why would today be different?
  12. A few spoilers from these pictures like what the rear and side vents kind of look like, however you still can't tell much. Honestly I don't doubt the car will look good, specs are more of my concern.
  13. It almost looks like it may have venturi tunnels. The side inlets seem to be pretty big and seems to have somewhat large holes in the rear. Not as big as the Evija of course. Could just be pressure outlet (or whatever they are called) behind the rear wheels as well, but they look pretty large.
  14. Likuid

    Lotus Emira

    Looks like cross between Exige V6, Evora and Evija. Yeah, not the greatest. "Not just a sports car, THE sports car." would have been better.
  15. Likuid

    Lotus Emira

    I don't see any shoulder inlets like the Evora, so must be on the side or bottom. Looked like probably side based on the front side teaser we got earlier.
  16. Likuid

    Lotus Emira

    Well honestly if a targa or convertible version is not ready it makes sense for them to say they aren't planning on one. Look at what happened with the Evora, they claimed they would and it never happened. Whindle claimed in that video basically they didn't want to spend time on a targa or convertable right now. It probably will require a modified chassis with possibly larger sills. Since they are trying to make the car more "livable" right now, maybe they are afraid larger sills or something like that would hurt that claim. I guarantee the Emira will get a targa if it sells well. They probably did not want to put the extra engineering in right now. Plus it allows them to double dip later possibly. If someone buys a coupe then a targa comes out in 2 or 3 years and that person would prefer a targa they may be more wiling to upgrade. It's their last ICE, they may milk the Emira as long as they can (at least until 2030 most likely). Plus I also don't know if a targa or convertible requires all new crash testing, it probably does, so makes sense to wait and see how sales are.
  17. Likuid

    Lotus Emira

    I am calling it now. I bet the Emira will look better than the 296 GTB. Of course looks are always subjective and obviously it won't be close to it performance-wise, but I have a feeling the Emira is going to be a very good looking car.
  18. Likuid

    Lotus Emira

    I mean, we really know so little about the Emira most of what we do "know" could be B.S. Maybe Lotus has something up there sleeve we aren't expecting? While maybe unlikely, its possible that the more powerful version of the Emira is the I4. We are all just assuming its the V6 because usually that's the way it is. If its true the I4 may be an AMG and will be DCT only it actually kind of makes sense that the top-of-the-line Emira may be a 4 cylinder. More powerful and possibly lighter. Seems like a Lotus thing to do. Not completely unheard of either, I believe the I4 Turbo version of the Mustang of the same model year was more powerful than the V6 version.
  19. Likuid

    Lotus Emira

    I assume their first electric sportscar won't be called Emira. They trade marked some other name not long ago. Lotus needs more than one car model. Can't call everything Emira.
  20. Likuid

    Lotus Emira

    Personally I would rather the I4 and V6 be two different models that looks different enough to be considered different cars. Call me a snob I guess, but if I am spending $50k (USD) more on a car I would not only expect it to be significantly better in performance, but also aesthetically better looking. My guess is the V6 versions will have some different visible queues to make the look more aggressive or something along with some kind of badge, but my guess is most of those will be just be more carbon and bolt-on things like barge boards, front lip, bigger scoops. etc. Maybe the V6 version would be wider as well? I hope they show all versions for the July event so we can see.
  21. Poor marketing was only part of the issue. Most people considered the Evora underpowered at launch. Considering Lotus was and still is a fledgling company with a poor dealership network with very little brand recognition launching a new car that (on paper) seemed lackluster I am unsure what they expected. Most Lotus are cars they need to be test driven enthusiastically to be truly experienced. Without that test drive there is almost nothing, besides maybe the looks, that will get people to drive the 2+ hours to their closest dealer to give it a shot. I agree, but all the problems listed above for the Evora still exist for the Emira. This is why I said in the Emira threads I think it needs to not just "almost as good" or "can hold its own against" the competition, but it really needs to beat the competition and beat them cleanly. If you want people to make the trip to test drive an Emira you have to have some bait worth making the trip for. I am not convinced (based on what we have heard so far) that this will be the case. Of course this could all change in July. I am sure the Emira will be a good car, but IMO so was the Evora, especially once we got to the 400/GT generation. Yet, even with all the positive reviews, they couldn't sell them. Great marketing can help, but you still need something the public wants. Lotus just isn't in the position to tell the customer what they want like Porsche. They need to give the public something they didn't think they wanted until they saw it.
  22. I am not sure if Lotus test the engines with the provided Toyota ECU before installing them. If they do I could see Toyota warrantying them up until they are installed into the car and before any Lotus ECU is used. Maybe that's what they mean.
  23. Lotus only has 1 model of ICE car. That model should compete with a wider range IMO. Also, people aren't saying it needs to be 500HP for it to be a good car. Some people (including myself) are saying due to the many issues Lotus has selling cars that they have they need to play the numbers game to get people driving to dealer's and test driving cars. Almost no casual sports car buyer (which is most of them) cares about weight, steering feel, etc. If they did care Lotus would be selling much better than they do. While I think its important that Lotus keep as many things as "Lotus" as they can they also must admit the lower weight/lower power philosophy doesn't work getting the general sportscar consumer driving to dealers for a test drive. As far as I'm concerned, "hanging with" or "competing well against" just isn't good enough to get people buying the car. Sure, if everything else was equal, but its not, not even close. Lotus is not Porsche. They don't have a bunch of dealers and a brand that almost sells itself. They need to beat the competition and beat them convincingly. Show the world Lotus is back and better than ever. This will help start to get butts in seats, test driving your cars. This is just 1 step of many they need to do to bring the brand back from the brink.
  24. Does the Emira need 500HP to be a good car? No. However many of us here would agree the Evora was a good car and it sold poorly. While there are several factors for this, a 416HP $110k (USD) car is kind of a hard pill for some to swallow when you add the lack of dealerships, reliability concerns, brand recognition, etc. Personally I don't think a more modern looking 2-seater Evora with some better tech is enough to sell 3x or 4x the cars. I think Lotus needs to make a splash with the Emira, not a ripple, to get people's attention. When a magazine pits the Emira vs. a Cayman we need to see results that not only beat the Cayman, but beat it convincingly where there is no doubt what car is better. Make Joe-Porsche consider driving a 2 hours to the closest Lotus dealer to test drive the Emira. Do I think this will solve all of Lotus's issues? No, this is something that will take years to fix. However, I do know if Lotus sells more cars, then there will be more dealerships popping up, with more dealerships they will sell more cars. I hope you are right. I am sure it is frustrating for some people on this forum who are in the know, but are bound by NDA, watching us talking about something we really don't know much about. While I have talked about how what I have heard so far has not got me that excited for the Emira, I also will freely admit that the information we have received may be wrong or misleading. Still fun to talk about. I hope I am wrong and the Emira knocks my socks off.
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