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  1. Very, very interesting video from Jaguar, showing the development of the I-Pace. It's left me wondering about what similar processes are going on at Lotus. I really hope they're documenting the process as I'd love to see a record of the immense changes they are going through. I always especially loved the documentary tracking the development of the Elise, and there must be so much exciting work going on at Hethel at the moment! The film has an interesting conclusion, with Ian Callum noting that the I-Pace is the car taking Jaguar forward. The Type 130 is that first step for Lotus, and the interim model is the next; I think we'd all like to see just how they really do this so please, please, please, Lotus, make the film!

     

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  2. Unless Lotus have an enormous surprise ready to spring upon us all, I'd imagine that you'll be waiting for a very long time for the Lotus SUV. They've been pretty clear in saying sports cars first and then other segments. Furthermore, they've said that they would need to be involved, right from the offset, in any design for the underpinnings of a new SUV, were they to use another from the group, in order to ensure it met Lotus's criteria. I think it was Popham who recently said they, ' won't take an  existing platform and just try to make a Lotus out of it'. 

     

    What we 'might' see is SUVs within the group sprinkled with a little Lotus magic, allowing Geely, Volvo etc. to compete in segments where they have not been able to, before now. They could, for example, be developing/co-developing  electric drivetrains that might see use throughout the group. Given what's been said, I'd be surprised to see a genuine Lotus SUV before 2023-4. Porsche have already garnered a great deal of expertise in this particular arena so Lotus will need to have 'everything' right when they do launch. There's no doubt, however, that it/they will probably sell in numbers that Lotus have scarcely even imagined in the past.

  3. Lotus has already confirmed the Type 130 has received several hundred ‘expressions of interest’ from potential customers following the announcement of the project at the Shanghai Motor Show.

     

    I imagine they'll shift 50+ just from billionaire collectors, who 'have' to have every interesting high-end model that enters the market. After that, it comes down to how much appeal the car has to the half million, or so, people who have £50m+ going spare - quite a few car enthusiasts in there, some of whom will undoubtedly want the novelty of something unique.

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  4. 35 minutes ago, RichardC said:

    Light up letters. Cool, but on second thoughts, isn't illegal to show white lights on the rear of a vehicle (other than reversing lights)?

    Agree that pop-up headlights should make a come back.

    Yeah, I thought that - only white lights at the front and red at the rear (along with amber for the indicators, obviously). I'm guessing either that's where the No. plate will go (it's between the rear lights) and it's just there to look great on the promos; it's actually the reversing light (that would be pretty cool); it can change colours for different territories and their respective laws (e.g. red for the UK); it's a 'show mode' feature (i.e. for posing only); or Lotus are utilising some loophole (not above a certain brightness etc.) Yet another reason for some July 16th anticipation!

     

    Nico, I think it looks like the hinging mechanism for some active aero too!

  5. Illuminated name badging - no idea why but it turns me into a giddy child again! But then, I still think flip-up headlights instantly add a veneer of 'coolness' to almost any car! Really looking forward to seeing this: I'm sure the design language will deliver many cues on what's to come from the next generation. I can really see this project garnering a great deal of hype and anticipation; it really 'is' the launch of new Lotus...

  6. True, but I think it will be the Battista which people will primarily compare it with - just on name alone. I suppose we'll see group tests with all three! The Sun claims a Lotus insider has told them the Type 130 will top Pininfarina's 1,900 horses, while Evo claim Lotus are aiming to keep the weight below 1,000kg. Could be interesting!

     

    The Tesla Roadster is starting at $200,000. It will be interesting to see how close in performance it is to the Battista, Rimac 2 and Type 130. I wouldn't count on it necessarily matching any of them for aero, handling etc. but it has the potential to be a real fly in the ointment! Actually, I can't especially see any standout aero on the Rimac or Pininfarina so that may well be how the Type 130 truly distinguishes itself. Looking forward to the London reveal...

  7. Surely not the hypercar - it's got Evora written all over the front! Evora 500 with a completely new, class-appropriate interior, integrated ICE, digital dials etc. … dual clutch, paddle shift? Perhaps a surprise move down in price - hyper lightweight, cool new minimalist interior and up against the Alpine A110? 

     

    It's great to see all the talk of potential giving way to some actual product, even if it is a stop-gap model. There should be plenty of pointers about what to expect/look forward to in the next generation...

     

    If I wake up for a pee in the middle of the night, now, I'm going to have to take my phone with me to see what they're releasing!  😯

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  8. It 'could' be a concept car - gauge reactions to new styling cues etc. 

     

    I wouldn't be surprised to see the interim model. It all kind of depends on when exactly it is going to be out - 2020 or 2021. If it's the former then you could absolutely see it being shown one year before; if it's the latter, it would be unusual to be showing it two years before release.

     

    I wouldn't be surprised at all to see the hypercar: it's very obviously a halo model, intended to say, 'Look at what we're now capable of delivering!' If a halo's job is to look shiny, incredible and draw the attention, then you would imagine that Geely would quite like to be giving such a car a debut on their home turf. It would be a confident statement of intent. At Geneva, the hypercars completely dominated the press. Looking at Aston Martin's stand, you'd be forgiven for assuming they were packing in GTs to go head-to-head with Ferrari, Lamborghini, Bugatti and McLaren at the dynamic top end of the market. The Koenigsegg Jesko and Pininfarina Battista  were all over every Geneva article and YouTube vid. I'm sure Geely would like to be capturing international column inches, and video report minutes, about the Shanghai show in a similar manner. Likewise, every other manufacturer was exceptionally keen to show their forays into, and commitment towards, electric drivetrains...

     

    It could be some exciting upgrades for the current range; they have some way to go before the all-new models on the new platform arrive. It's not as if Lotus's competitors will be standing still for the next 3 years! I doubt they'll want sales significantly dipping in that time so it can't 'all' be down to the interim model.

     

    Regardless, if they release a date wreathed in swirling smoke, sparking excitement and anticipation, and then just give an overview of the 5-year plan, I think that would be more than a little disappointing...

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  9. Their hypercar will be out of almost everyone's range. I  wonder what it will have in common with (and how it will differentiate itself against) this...

     

     

    To be honest, if Lotus's hypercar 'is' coming, it will be a halo car designed to show Lotus's potential, not in any way an indicator of prices to come or be marketed as a product that 99.9999% of current Lotus owners might be interested in. What 'may' well be of interest, however, is what technologies, features and ideas might drip down to forthcoming future models...

  10. New body on the Evora platform, newly engineered doors and sills, improved luggage space, good infotainment, an interior that looks reasonable good at the side of the competition,  but still decently powerful with Lotus handling, enough of a car to at least match the opposition dynamically - I can't see that at £60,000 unless Lotus are willing to swallow at least a £20-30,000 loss on each car for the sake of reputation building and great press etc. Say a £4-6 million loss on 2,000 cars. Not out of the question, I suppose, when £billions are involved overall. Porsche annually spend over $20 million on U.S. advertising alone. 

     

    Has anyone officially actually stated the Evora platform/an Evora-sized car? A rebodied Elise/Exige alternative (but perhaps on an adapted Evora chassis?) with access/egress on a par with the Boxster, A110, new Z4 etc., 10-12" wider interior, at least double the current luggage space (Exige=112l; A110=196l; Boxster=275l), stylish, well appointed interior (good infotainment) with digital dash etc., enough sound deadening and a 'comfort mode' for longer journeys would surely tempt many to dip into their wallets...

     

    I completely realise that this is literally burn-at-the-stake level heresy for many Elise/Exige enthusiasts, who may well say, 'Might as well get a bloody Boxster then!' but if the overall intention is to open the eyes of buyers who previously fancied a Lotus but could not live with the compromises, I expect there have been a great many more of them put off by the Elise/Exige than by the Evora, where the interior contrast is considerably less obvious when viewed alongside the opposition! In offering an Elise/Exige that could easily be a daily driver, the market appeal would be huge: it could be your only car instead of considering forking out £50-90,000 for a second car! The sheer volume of Z4s, Boxsters, TTs, F-Types etc. on the road shows how big the potential market is.

     

    Regardless of what's coming down the road in 2022-25, this interim car has a massive amount riding on it: it is going to be a huge statement of intent; anything less than it being one of the best cars Lotus has ever offered is going to fall short. 

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  11. From 2022, you'll be able to turn off the Intelligent (ahem) Speed Assistance (although you'll have to do it each and every time you drive), but I think we all know the end-goal is to make them permanent a few years after. I wonder whether a post-Brexit UK will rise up against that particular diktat and chip tuners etc. will be able to restore a 'choice' option. You can genuinely see the sports car market crashing and burning 'when' it becomes mandatory AND permanent.Their respective sales will absolutely plummet and some big names are likely to either go under or to switch to extreme luxury, as that will be the only way to sufficiently justify the price tags on their cars. £50,000-150,000 for a sports car that bombs forwards for a few yards only for the engine to cut power - 90% of sports car sales will evaporate overnight!

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