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  1. "The next car we will announce is a new GT version of the Evora. It will be more powerful, and with more features. That will be the immediate offering," says Popham.


    - the only confirmation Popham would provide was that of an all-new sports car. “You’re likely to see something toward the end of next year,” he says. “It won’t go on sale until after that, maybe the following year or so, but this is going to be more a volume product.” He promises that it will “still absolutely still have the DNA of Lotus—handling, lightweight, on-road dynamics,” but he predicts that it will appeal to a greater number of people because it will address “the hygiene factors the brand has been deficient in, in terms of things like space, ergonomics, and technology.” This car will start in the same price range that the Evora occupies right now, and go up from there.


    I'm  wondering, now, whether the GT version of the Evora is what's coming to the US market or if he means there will be one last edition...


    Same with the dates for the all-new car, 'end of next year/on sale the year after' could be referring to the US market?


    Hurry up, Shanghai Motor Show 2019 - we need some clarity!


  2. 3 hours ago, C8RKH said:

    Go take a look at the PCM/ICE in a 996 Porsche. A COMMAND system in a merc SL500 from 5 or 10 years ago etc.  All were state of the art at the time, all look and operate like shite now. £3,4, 5k options when new.

    I quite like how Lotus use a non integrated Double Din system as it means you can easily change it for something else.

    Yeah, ideally the industry, as a whole, should be looking into upgradable systems, but as Andy said, perhaps the ICE is seen as one more way to make your car feel obsolete in 5 yrs time so you feel pressured into a new one!


    It will be interesting to see what directions Lotus take in this front. 'Luxury' was a word being thrown around a bit so I suspect fairly high-end specs. You're 100% right, though - high-end looks ordinary at best after 5 yrs if it's integrated and can't be easily updated.

  3. 3 hours ago, 100th_Idiot said:

    Am I the only one that does not want a crappy built in ICE from Volvo or anyone else? After a few years they are woefully outdated and unable to be upgraded. I'm happy with an aftermarket unit. It plays music and radio. Sat Nav. And is easily changed if you want newer features such as Android Auto or Apple Car play today. The ICE is just a bit more planned obsolescence to apply pressure to change your car.

    I completely get what you're saying; however, if the stop-gap car's/new cars' ICE offerings don't at least match up to the opposition's, then it will be the big 'BUT...' on every other review, group test etc. and we'll see phrases like 'old Lotus bugbear' and 'not there yet...'


    Realistically, assuming a £110,000-£130,000 price it will be largely compared with the new 992 model 911, AMG GT and Audi R8 so as well as hitting 60mph/100kph in around 3.5 seconds and matching handling etc. it will need interior quality and technological toys/ICE of equivalent quality to those cars if it wants to make a statement and have the reviews, group tests etc. recognise that Lotus is 'now' a car that you can buy without having to put up with any compromise. 


    I'm quite sure that Lotus will want this car to be 'spot on' because it will be setting the stage for the all-new cars. The last thing they will want is for people to be saying, 'Hopefully, the next phase of Lotus products will be able to address deficiencies A, B and C...'  If they really knock this one out of the park, excitement and anticipation for the all-new models will be very high; a great deal of the necessary marketing/awareness will be achieved from that alone.

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  4. It will be interesting to see what they deliver as the stop-gap car, before the all-new models arrive, as it will very much be taken as a statement of intent from the world's motoring press and interested potential buyers. It does sound most likely to be based on the Evora platform so I'm genuinely intrigued to see what they have up their sleeves; they really have to nail it because it will be expected to stand up (excel against?) against the competition in every sense, not just 'feel', ride and handling. I wonder whether we're going to see a mock-up, concept etc. at Shanghai...


    It's fantastic news about keeping the cars at similar price points: an Elise (or similar) at £50-60,000 - going head-to-head with Boxsters, the new Z4/Supra etc. - that keeps its core attributes but adds a quality interior, reasonable access/egress and enough practicality to make it a genuine daily driver... That would surely sell like hot cakes!


    I'm surprised about the lack of SUV though - definitely sounds like that won't be coming any time soon. It has to be the right decision, however, if they truly want the eventual product to be worthy of the badge...

  5. Really idiotic - after Gales' 102mph fine, this could end up in the press (ANOTHER Lotus executive in trouble etc. etc.) and be quite an embarrassment to the company! I can see that a one year ban seems quite harsh for just moving a vehicle into a car park but when you work in a senior position at a car company and you are responsible for signing off new product, there's really no excuse whatsoever!

  6. The hypercar market is really surprising me, to be honest - Lotus's offering is going to be compared with the Aston Martin Valkyrie and AM-RB 003; the Pininfarina Battista (which seems perhaps the most similar and direct rival); Koenigsegg Jeska; and, undoubtedly, whatever hypercars Ferrari, McLaren (and perhaps even Bugatti) are planning for 2-3 years year's time. The group tests should make for some incredible TV at least! I would never have guessed that the £1-3 million market would have so much product. With them all offering staggering acceleration, 1-2,000 bhp and insane looks, I wonder what will really differentiate the ones that stand out.


    I'm more interested in seeing which price points/markets they will be aiming their 'regular' sports/super cars - £200-250,000 against the McLaren720S and Ferrari Tributo; £120-150,000 against the McLaren 540/570, Porsche 911 Turbo/Turbo S and AMG GTs; £100-120,000  against the Porsche 911 Carreras and Aston Martin Vantage? 


    I wonder what, if anything, will be offered below that price point - perhaps a new Elise/Exige in the £45-70,000 range to compete against the Porsche Boxster, BMW Z4 and Toyota Supra. I really hope they retain something of an entry-level car to keep the brand accessible to existing owners/enthusiasts but I won't be shocked if they don't.


    I guess we'll find out in April - fingers crossed!

  7. 2 hours ago, NedaSay said:

    Lotus entrusting chassis build to Williams is idiotic at best to me... Lotus is a chassis company, entrusting the battery to williams ok, the gearbox to Xtrac, Ricardo or Syncromatic ok, but the chassis should be designed and built at Hethel and nowhere else... Especially a hypercar chassis.

    'If' Lotus are taking this route, I'd be most surprised to see them leave the chassis as it is, regardless of Williams' engineering expertise, however, I would imagine Williams would also be quite happy with that. They would surely expect any partnership utilising their platform to develop and evolve what they have offered, and Lotus have a pretty stellar reputation for chassis design. I, for one, would also be interested to see what else WIlliams can offer: their F1 experience with air effect, for instance, must surely be worth considering...

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  8. This would seem to add up very nicely.  WIlliams state that they could make a production run of 100 or so of these rolling carbon fibre chassis, with an electric 652bhp torque-vectored AWD system, weighing only 955kg each. Add in an equivalent to the Toyota supercharged 3.5l V6 (175kg?) to top it up to 1000bhp, and have it sound the way you'd want it to, and you would surely have something quite phenomenal for the Lotus ride and handling wizards to get their teeth stuck into! Could be very interesting...


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  9. I have been an enthusiastic Lotus fan for more years than I'd care to mention but I must admit, I've not kept up with what's been confirmed, suspected, disconfirmed etc. in these exciting times for the company. At the risk of sounding lazy, can anyone here provide a brief overview of what is definite (or seems very probable) in terms of the new/updated models expected from Geely-backed Lotus over the next few years? In the absence of 'definites', I'm certainly interested in hearing what those on the site, who have a little more insight and/or insider knowledge, believe to be 'likely'...


    Many thanks to anyone taking the time to answer, hazard a best guess etc.!

  10. You only have to read this to see that a 'propulsion system' for the hypercar could be expedited relatively quickly...



    Hopefully, many lessons learned from this 'technological showcase' will swiftly trickle down to the new sportscars, as happened with McLaren after their development of the P1.  Lotus might be bringing in a lot of new talent but they are also going to be stepping into new territory if their new models are going to be world beaters. It will be a steep learning curve; hopefully, a big objective of the hypercar development - aside from creating a halo product - will be to swiftly evolve and advance their expertise in the new technologies being incorporated.


    There is no doubt that the cars McLaren developed after the P1 benefited very significantly from that car. Indeed, the 720s is faster around many tracks and only 0.2 seconds slower to 60mph, the P1 only stretching that advantage to 0.3 seconds by the time both cars get to 150mph - almost embarrassing given that it retails at just over £208,000 compared to the P1's £866,000. If Lotus can similarly benefit, it should bode very well for the sportscars coming out of Hethel for the next few years...

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  11. Would be great to see any new Elise (similar entry-level Lotus) with a similar engine - reduced weight, lower centre of gravity, efficiency and lowered emissions to meet future targets, allowance of more space for improved practicality etc. I am intrigued to see what innovations the new models will bring, although I have to wonder whether we'll see an entry-level model like the Elise ever again. I've always thought that a reasonably priced Elise with decent practicality and a stylish enough interior would sell very well (Porsche's Boxster all but saved the company) but I do understand that many would say that such a car would no longer be an Elise! 


    I believe Lotus are in a very delicate situation, now, regarding letting us know what is coming. Too much exciting info and suddenly the current offerings appear to really show their age while the new ones appear to be too far away on the horizon. It's not a balancing act that I would like handle. It does look like they might go through a very lean period, in terms of news and sales, before we enter the new era.

  12. 8 hours ago, LotusLeftLotusRight said:

    What will Hethel be making for the next 3 years? I reckon the current line-up of models (Elise/Exige/Evora) will soldier on that long in some form or other, before they tool up for a clean-sweep of new models . I can't see them making/selling more than 2000 cars per year at Hethel during that time, so things will remain pretty much the same for the time-being. What do you think?

    I agree; in fact, I think there's a definite danger of things starting to look and feel a little stale unless they begin to drip feed details of what's to come. I appreciate that's a balancing act, however, as Lotus will not want current potential customers to think, 'That looks incredible - I'll wait for that!' Lotus may well suffer in the sales department, for a while, until the 'next generation' start arriving.  I hope I'm wrong about that but unless there are some substantial upgrades on the way it looks like there will be a calm before the media/sales storm to come.


    Evora Roadster anyone? I know, I know - it's never going to happen; I need to get over it! 😭

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  13. That proposition for a new Elite was the only car from Bahar's wish list that genuinely caught my eye; frankly, it made my jaw drop! It seems to take all the best that an M4 convertible offers and then adds Lotus in place of the downsides! Make that, Geely, and you will have my undying devotion! I would have thought the nearest we'll get to it, however, will be an Esprit roadster variant with all the luxury options ticked on the spec sheet.

  14. I suppose it's not that large a figure given the $11b pumped into Volvo. With so much investment and expansion, however, it would seem clear that we can expect the two new SUVs to be produced in pretty significant numbers, and it makes me wonder whether the two 'all-new' sports cars, which we have been told to expect around 2020, will be taken back to the drawing board to make them competitors to the likes of Porsche etc. in ways they have simply not had the funds/resources to match before, i.e. interior quality, technology etc. Will the carbon-tubbed, track-focussed flagship model become the new Esprit? Either way, exciting news - the future  for Lotus certainly seems a whole lot more interesting!

  15. I think the limiting factor is how much torque can go through that gearbox, not how much power the engine can produce! Komo-Tec are already knocking on the door of a reliable 500bhp, with some uprated internals.

  16. To be honest, it's incredibly rare that anyone, whatsoever, has done a high-profile, mainstream video about Lotus. It was embarrassing to realise that Seb Delanney was probably doing more to bring the brand to a large audience than Lotus's own P.R. Just seen a nice video, today, in which someone who vaguely knew the brand, and liked it, but did not know what they were like 'close up' had a day at Stratton's open day. For an amateur piece, he  was really able to challenge the negative stereotypes by encouraging the viewer to actually see the cars up close and personal, pointing out the quality of the materials and showing that a good-sized 6 foot 2" guy could so easily and comfortably sit in an Elise! I really hope one of the dealers lends him a car so he can make a follow-up.


    I hope that one benefit from the new ownership will be a professional and consistent approach to getting the content out there; we can all moan about Chris Harris (I certainly do) but the damage of the negativity he encouraged is only so annoying because knowledge about the brand, and what they are currently delivering, is very much restricted to enthusiasts. If we'd seen The Grand Tour drive an Exige 430, or seen Top Gear have a go with an Evora 410/GT430 etc. the public at large would be starting to see what Lotus product in 2018 actually looks like, and they'd be starting to understand the differences between the models. I'm pretty sure the cars would have impressed with track times, too!



  17. I keep thinking that the Evora Roadster has to be the key interim sales boost between now and 2020. I would have thought that the only questions are the number of variants (especially with regard to engine tune etc. - 410bhp and 430bhp anybody?), finalising a roof strategy (electric or DIY roof disassembly/assembly at this price point?) and where to place in terms of luxury versus sports. Mind you, I predicted it would have been out 2-3 years ago so what do I know! :lol:

  18. I'd dearly love to see a new Esprit, but they don't half have their work cut out to build a £150,000 car from scratch that can take on the 570GT, developed off the back of McLaren's past few years' work, and the best 911s, developed since the early Palaeolithic. Of course, there's also Lambo's Huracan in the mix, too. They (or rather their equivalent models in x years' time) are what the new Esprit would be lining up against in the inevitable group tests, and they are all developed off the back of many years of work on similar models. I'd imagine Nissan's GTR successor will be around by then, too, probably making mincemeat out of many far more expensive motors!


    I certainly believe that Lotus could, with funding, support etc. achieve this, and I would love to see a spectacular halo model, but it's a big ask and would surely need a lengthy development period; I can't see it being around any time soon, even if it was quickly signed off under the new plans! I think the huge plus they do have is that the 'Esprit' name really does have value: it would generate huge interest, and with £100,000+ Evoras selling with no problems, it's hard not to envisage £150,000 Esprits being a sales success. Ah well, I can dream!

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