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  1. Oh, it is going to be such fun seeing every other team complain and appeal every time Max takes out one of their cars/drivers. Be careful what you wish for lol...

    Have cancelled my subscription for red bull supplies, which means  100 German Jaegermeisters are now on the EU equivalent of the dole too. Poor sods, all because of a bloody whinging whatever...  After complaining about unsporting behaviour this really does take the caffeine infused piss.

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  2. 1 hour ago, jimichanga said:

    Spin is using percentage increases and omitting the actual sales figures

    Actually, it's not.  If the figures used are accurate and correct, it is not "spin".  A 10% increase is a 10% increase if it is 110 this year and 100 last year, or 1100 this year versus 1000 last year.

    "Spin" is something that is intentionally misleading, and saying, and being able to support, that your sales are xx% up on a previous period is factual.

    But then, I know nothing.

    Anyway, @Frickin_idiot you know I'm the one you're supposed to argue with!  :)


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  3. The problem is owners are "invested" in their cars so inevitably whichever one they have will be the "best" etc.  

    We used to have "how far can you piss up the wall" conversations at school lol.  The Evora is not an Emira and vice versa and the market will dictate the values.

    Before the GT430, the GTE "was the best most exclusive" and the best Evora etc etc. 

    The Evora, in whatever guise, is the last of the genuine, handmade, ICE, analogue cars from Lotus. There were so few made in numbers they will ALL be a classic and like with the Esprit there will be a car for every owner in the future whether an S1 NA, an S1 S, a 400, a 410 or a 430.  People now lust after Esprit S1, S2, S3, S3 Turbo, Stephens cars, GT3, V8 etc. All are regarded as classics by someone. Let's just enjoy driving them and celebrate them for what they are.  

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  4. 25 minutes ago, jimichanga said:

    It could well be seen as the purer, more analog version of the Emira

    I think that really depends on what the prospective owner is looking for.

    For instance, if it was a DD/GT then actually the GT410Sport would arguably be the "better" Evora for them. Cheaper to run (no Ohlins to service regularly for a start), +2, no big wing for unwarranted attention etc.

    If it was an out and out track weapon/weekend speed machine then surely the Exige 410-430 range would be a purer, more analog version, if you remember that the Emira is not just replacing the Evora, but the Elise and Exige too and that is how it is being sold.

    I know this is the GT430 thread, but just because the GT430 was the most "focused" Evora, it does not mean it was the purer, most analogue version of this generation of Lotus models that have all been replaced they Emira. Hell, some would say the 250/260 CUP wins that argument for sure and it would be hard to argue against it.

    The GT430 is an exceptional car, but then it suffers like all Evora's do in that the market never really decided what the Evora was, if anything, I think it decided it was more a GT than sports car, and if the case, then the GT430, as the most pure and analogue of the range, will not be seen as the most pure/analogue of this generation of Lotus cars. I would argue the 4xx CUP cars are that. It does not detract from what a great car the GT430 is by the way, but then again, like all Evora's, it did not set the sales world alight and struggled to find buyers with some arguably very desirable cars like the Liquid Yellow one taking 2 years to sell. 


  5. Why just a good thing for the GT430 and not Evora's in question?

    I do think the Emira will get people looking and actually, to be serious, I think the +2 Evora will see a surge in interest as a result, more so than the more focused Evora's.

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  6. I found a wallet on the prom when on holiday. Full of money and stuff. I handed it in to the police and a couple of weeks later a Bobby came around and the gent whose wallet it was had gave them a five pound reward to hand to me. Chuffed as anything was I and went off to the Airfix model shop and if I recall I got a model of a Spitfire to build.

  7. @gurneyeagle500 - get yourself into a GT for test drive. The last of the analogue, hand made ICE Lotus cars. The Evora is a superbly capable car. Took mine out last night for a wee spin. Stopped at a petrol station and an old guy comes wondering over and says "my, what a beautiful car do you have there...."  We spoke for about 10 minutes as he wanted to know about the all aluminium chassis, the V6, the super charger and the rolls of carbon fibre on the car.

    When the Emira finally hits the road the Evora will still be a beautiful car. Will still look superb. I know a lot of people are looking to chop in early, but not me, as my Evora gives me what I want - performance. looks. AND exclusivity and by the looks of it the Emira will lose on that last point as everyone will see them every where lol....

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  8. 58 minutes ago, Doug Ashley said:

    Has anyone (including the media...) actually read the consultation documents?

    Hence my response and saying it was the usual positioning and spin from interested parties - in this case the independents getting their lobbying in early :)


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  9. You are dealing with the EU so please don't try to use logic or commercial sense in your arguments.

    The fact is that the current block exemption rules in the EU (that UK committed to comply with under the Brexit deal) are due to expire in 2023. So this is a planned event and right now, the consultation is starting, so nothing has been agreed.  This is the usual positioning and spin from the various interested parties and it could well be that the EU simply decides to "rollover" the current block exemption for another x years. Remember, it will hit EU citizens very hard in the pockets so will not be a popular thing to lose anywhere in Europe. So who knows, maybe common sense will prevail.

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  10. 20 minutes ago, LotusLeftLotusRight said:

    Not doing too well on keeping the cross channel asylum seekers out post Brexit. More have already arrived this year than in the whole of 2020. Not sure many voted for that. 😉

    Yup. Yet again we are bring let down by the EU, and in France in particular, for not keeping to their own rules with regards to immigration, settlement etc. Instead of dealing with the problem they just allow them to flow through to us. Personally, my simplistic view is we just round them up at sea and tow them back to France as due to EU laws and regs (which the French mostly ignore when it suits them anyway) that is where they should reside/stay. It really is that simple to me. This is an EU issue and they need to deal with it.

  11. A lot of talk on here about how great Australia has been with it's prompt action to contain the spread etc and how shit the UK Government has been. Well, looks like 50% of the Aus population is back in tough quarantine so questions must be asked who has really got it right.


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  12. On 10/07/2021 at 11:33, Barrykearley said:

    Now all I need is a lotus with cup holders 🤔C2B3F75B-4B0E-443A-81B2-B272A6C36EB7.thumb.jpeg.892d8b6c1d8954f522d6249c6d3b80ad.jpeg

    I've never had the desire to have something like that. What am I missing?

    31 minutes ago, windymiller said:

    had lots of air dried oak planks left over

    Shame it wasn't air dried ham. Now that would have looked tasty! :)


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  13. Really sad day if this is true.

    I wonder if every other driver who has been crashed into and driven off track by Max will now ask their teams to review each incident and the action taken?

    I think if there was a prize for poorest loser in F1, Red Bulkl would be in P1 now alongside their constructors and WDC P1's.  So sad to see it coming to this, IF, it is true.

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