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  1. So what is the USA lineup? A 2019 Evora 400 and the GT. Or is the GT a limited edition and already sold out? And in response to another commenter here, supercar go 0-60 in 3 seconds or less. And I’m being generous as the 992 Porsche 911 Carrera 4s with PDK gets to 60 mph in 3 seconds. This is quickly becoming a meaningless statistic
  2. I wish Lotus well, but they should look at the second gen NSX as a cautionary tale. Honda tried to make a budget Porsche 918/LaFerrari hybrid supercar. What they appear to have ended up doing is creating a car that has more tech than any other car close to its price point. That is the good part. The bad part is that the car is not appreciably better than other cars in its price point and is, in some ways, arguably worse. I would argue that the NSX is not selling because no one is interested in tech for the sake of tech that does not result in a better car. By most performance metrics, the car’s performance is nothing special given its competition. The car does have instant torque due to its electric motors, but turbo lag in turbo charged cars has gotten to be negligible. It’s not like the old days where there was a very appreciable lag before the turbos spooled up. The other major feature of the car is true torque vectoring which allows for a car that is very easy to drive fast. The downside is that these positives as accomplished by Honda requires 3 electric motors and a battery pack, resulting in a relatively heavy car with few reviewers commenting on any emotional appeal of the car. I just wonder if engineers are thinking about whether the EVs/hybrids are actually fun to drive, which is the whole point of sports/super cars.
  3. This may be a little off topic, but I have been thinking about what would be the last great analogue car. The press makes a big deal out of NA Porsches (GT3), Ferraris (Superfast 812) and Audis (R8). With the exception of the GT3, none have a manual as an option. I would think the Lotus would have to be in this conversation. And over the longer term, I suspect that Evora prices will begin to rise once people realize that, after maybe a manual GT3, there is only the Lotus Evora. Then again, once the baby boomers all die off or get too old to drive, the younger generations may not value manual shift or NA cars as all they know will be dual clutch transmissions and turbos.
  4. If you want to see where Lotus stands in the US currently, take a look at the auction site Bring A Trailer (BAT). Last year an 2017 Evora 400 with very few miles sold for $55,000. There is now a 2017 with 2500 miles on auction. With 2 days to go, bidding is at $58,000. On this same site, Porsches regularly sell for stupidly high prices. Announcements are not going to get it, especially when the announce is for a uber-expensive hypercar and a race car with little mention of renovation to their current line-up other than “stay tuned.”
  5. The Evora GT sound like the continuation of a ploy Lotus has had to employ in the past due to lack of a development budget: minor ECU map changes to get marginal increases in hp along with dropping weight thru the use of CF and taking things out that most people will just option back in (like AC and a radio). These days are thankfully coming to an end. The Evora GT is a placeholder, to keep Lotus in the US until truly new models start to arrive. It’s not that different from the 400 because Lotus either has not had time to develop a truly improved model or (more likely) resources are focused on new models. I suspect Lotus knows the GT will not be a sales success. Last time I checked, the GT wasn’t on the US Lotus website and there has been no advertising or press coverage of the car. To be fair, we have to give Lotus time to bring out some new product. It’s not like they have had the resources to do so before being purchased by Geely.
  6. Here is my BIG issue. If I was not on this forum, I would never know the GT existed. Just checked the Lotus (USA) website. It mentions the hypercar and the concept GT4, though there isn’t much there aside from mentioning the cars. It delves more into the Evora 400, but there is NO mention of the GT even though dealers are apparently taking deposits on it and I assume this is the only car you can order from Lotus in the USA!!!
  7. CharlieBrown: I share your pessimism on the Evora GT. I have much higher hopes for the new sports car to be unveiled next year and supposedly be available in 2021. I’d like to see a car available in the USA for which Lotus would actually provide PR support
  8. IMHO, if Lotus was going to push the Evora in the USA with PR or other marketing efforts, they would have done so by now. My best guess is that their push is to re-position the brand. Hence the hypercar. The 2020 sports car will probably be part of the re-positioning as well and it is likely to get PR support. I just don’t see Lotus getting behind the Evora in the US
  9. I know I’ve been hard on Lotus here, but let’s be realistic. Lotus has a skeletal dealership network in the US and only one car to sell. And that one car has never sold in any numbers in this country. There isn’t much financial incentive to do more than the absolute minimum in terms of getting the Evora past US crash regulations because you are unlikely to make the money back. Given these apparent realities, the Evora GT is not likely to differ much from the 2017-18 Evora 400s. The GT is just a placeholder for Lotus because they cannot afford to leave the US market again, so they have to have something to sell. I’m waiting for the first car that Lotus actually gets behind and that car will, at the earliest, be the “new” sports car to be released around 2020. So what to do until then? Prices are lightly used 400s are breaking under $70,000. Personally, I’d wait until they start breaking under $60,000 before considering one. Why? Well what I have seen in looking at Evora prices is that the pre-400 Evoras have dropped to the $40,000-$50,000 range and they pretty much stop depreciating from there. My guess is that the 400 will depreciate into the $50,000-$60,000 range and pretty much sit in that range, so buying a 400 in that range will offer minimal depreciation if not some appreciation eventually. I’d go this route or wait for new sports car in 2020.
  10. NC25T: I don’t know where you are looking, but 2017 Evora 400s are readily available in the US for $70-80,000 with low miles (under 10,000) and 2018s start just under $90,000. Take a look at www.cargurus.com Now if the GT starts at $117,000, it will make the 2017-18 Evoras look like bargains. I also suspect that the GT will be DOA in the US. I just don’t see a 410 with added CF selling at that price in the States. And Lotus’ timing could not be worse because the GT will probably hit our shores around the same time as the C8 Vette and I expect that car to have a major impact on the sports car market here.
  11. This would make sense as it would double the number of cars that would be available in the US. You have to wonder how long the current dealership network can survive on just one car being available for sale in the US
  12. And how would anyone know this without a dealer telling them??? No such info on the website or anything that I’ve seen reported in the press. If true, I will say that dropping the numbers makes sense
  13. I’ll give you a date: 7/18/19. The official unveiling of the C8 mid-engined Vette. Likely to impact most sports/supercars sold in North America. Pricing has not been announced but speculation places pricing to begin around $60,000.
  14. All countries try to protect their companies/industries. Strikes me that a tariff is FAR more efficient and transparent than crash regulations. I know, I know....I’m preaching to the choir.
  15. As a side note, having different regulations between the US and EU never made sense to me. I have been in favor of the US adopting EU rules. Advantage are less government expense because no testing needed, possibly less expensive cars and certainly a greater variety of cars from the EU. Lastly, the EU is one of the few places with higher labor costs than the US, so it would open the possibility of manufacturing cars here for non-US markets.
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