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    EVORA Weight

    On the subject of weight, I was reading about the new Porsche Cayman 718 GT4 and was surprised to learn that it is heavier than the Evora!
  2. If you desire exclusivity in a new car, then the Evora is likely your cheapest entre to such status. Other than a Lotus, you would have to look at bespoke used cars which will likely cost as much (or more) as an Evora with no warranty.
  3. Personally, I think there are closer comparisons with the Evora. The Alfa is a bigger car with more of a true back seat and generally bigger, heavier car. In the current car market, you are hard pressed to find direct competitors, but for around similar or less money, I’d venture for a BMW M2 or a Porsche 911. Both have back seats roughly comparable to the Evora and both can be had with a manual.
  4. Welcome. Other than the Evora, there will be a new model in 2020 based on the Evora platform. Some speculate it will be an updated Elise/Exige. Neither the current Elise nor the current Exige will be coming to the USA. Going forward, new Lotus models are expected to be federalize and available in the USA
  5. Loquatious Lew: I follow used Evora prices in the US and there is presently little indication that the Evora is going to be a future classic, at least in the US market. Now that may change. My feeling for sometime has been that the last great analogue cars will command a high price. And we have seen evidence of that in other brands. A manual Audi R8 commands a premium and you can typically add $50,000 or more for a Ferrari manual. But the value of the manual might not be the manual, but the fact that fewer of them were made and thus they are more valuable simply because they are more rare. I have not seen this apply to Lotus in manual or otherwise. What I have seen is that an Evora will depreciate rather rapidly to some price point and then not move down much from there. The first generation Evora appear to have depreciated to the $40-$50k range and then don’t drop much from there. Hard to say what the 400 will do as it is too new to see any concrete trends. I can say that picking up a 2017 Evora 400 in the $70-$80k range is easily done. How much it will drop from there is hard to say.
  6. There has been more than enough talk of the impact of the C8 Corvette on the sports/supercar market from a price perspective. I’d like to take a different look at this car and others. Aside from price, the C8 Vette is also a re-imagining of what a car like this should be. Inside the car, everything is angle towards the driver, even the infotainment screen. Love it or hate it, I haven’t seen an interior design like it. And then let’s talk about some things we have not seen before. The front end lift that can remember 1000 different locations, the rear view mirror which is a camera, eliminating blind spots, blind spot warning (certainly not new, but not at all common in sports/supercars), heads up displace (HUD) another feature not seen in this class of car, a trunk large enough to make the car practical for daily use, and the removeable roof (a continuation from the C7, but even more striking of a feature on a mid-engine car. Put all of this together and you are really presenting a different view of what this kind of car should be. For example, people speak of the R8 and the NSX as being supercars you can drive daily. Well the Vette has redefined what is daily driveable sports/supercar is. The price plays into this as well because the car is cheap enough that people probably won’t be afraid to actually drive the thing for fear of the depreciation hit. There will likely be enough of these cars produced that the C8 will probably force other car makers to re-think which should go into a sports/supercar. That in the long run may be as important as the price point this car is coming in.
  7. Name_bran: What you are saying is certainly true today, but I’m not sure it will be true in the future. The people who can afford to buy exotic used cars are generally an older generation who remember and perhaps drove manuals in their youth. Most in the generation behind them have never owned a manual and probably can’t operate one. That will only become increasingly true over time. Will that impact the value of manuals? I honestly don’t know, but it could.
  8. Liquid: The impact of the C8 on used supercar prices will be interesting. The NSX is likely to feel the biggest impact has it has the smallest dedicated customer base. Next on the hit list, IMHO, would be the R8. Both cars are considered the supercars you could drive everyday and the C8 appears to be a better daily proposition than either of them for half the price.
  9. Ken2020: Virtually no Vettes will go out the door for $60,000, but the starting price suggests that a well-optioned Vette could be around $80,000 which would still be far less than the Evora. The Evora will not be able to go head to head with the C8 on price. However, the C8 is a pretty big car. The Evora is a much smaller car and is available with a manual. It also has a FAR less busy interior. Lotus will have to emphasize the differences from the C8 which are many
  10. Ken2020: The Vette is a different car from the Lotus. From what I’ve read, GM tried to address several issues. One was their reaching the limits of what the current platform could do and the other was to try to get a younger demographic interested in the car. GM wasn’t trying to make a Lotus and Lotus sales so far are hardly something GM would want to emulate. Remember that GM typically sells around 20,000 units just in the USA (probably lower this year because many were waiting for the C8). Let’s just call it different cars for people with different tastes. Now where thing get interesting is the Vette’s price point. How many potential Lotus customers will opt for the Vette because it costs around half that of an Evora GT??? I have no thoughts on that other than to say potential NSX, R8 and maybe i8 customers may be asking a similar question.
  11. The good news and the not so good news. The car will definitely be made in RHD. Pricing outside of the USA has not been announced and generally has not been as good as in the USA. So stay tuned. I imagine it will still be a good deal, though perhaps not quite as good a deal
  12. I would not expect you to regret getting done GT after the C8 unveiling. The Evora GT is one of the last great analogue cars and the Vette is definitely NOT analogue.
  13. As this is a Lotus forum, I think it might be useful to talk about where it appears the Vette go it right and where it might have missed. For me the big winners are: 1) price (of course) 2) retaining the targa top and having a place to stow it in the car 3) luggage space (special kudos for supposedly fitting TWO golf bags The question marks in my mind are as follows: 1) No manual option; and 2) Not sure about the ergonomics/layout of the interior Overall, it looks appealing. Performance figures mentioned also look promising. 0-60 in under 3 seconds and 1G of lateral force with all season tires. People often talk about the NSX and the R8 being everyday super cars, but this car appears to be the true daily driver for a fraction of the price of those two cars. Paradoxically, purists have criticized the NSX as too complicated and said they wanted a car without the hybrid power train with a much lower curb weight and price. Well this Vette is probably as close as you will get to that kind of NSX. I think lots of people will be hard pressed to choose a NSX over the Vette, given the difference in price. My prediction is that NSX sales will tank even more than they have already tanked due to the new Vette. For Lotus, the problem may be the new 2-seater that is the last car to be based on the current Evora platform. Hard not to see this car going head to head with some version of the Vette.
  14. Be VERY interesting to see the reviews on this car. On paper, it looks like a half price NSX or R8. At well under $100,000, it has the potential to upend the sports car market in the US IF (and only IF) it gets buyers who otherwise would never consider a Vette to look at this one. All I can say is that I personally never liked Vettes, but I’m taking a look at this one
  15. Nice to know Lotus is not following that bad example of Porsche whose entertainment units only work with Apple Car Play
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