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  1. I want to thank everyone for the responses they have given to my questions over the years. To be clear, I came here to learn more about Lotus, not to bash Lotus. If anyone cares, here are my final conclusions. I asked about fit and finish, not reliability because the issues with the Evora have been fit and finish, not reliability. My sense is that these issues have improved over time and was looking for confirmation of that. I would buy a Lotus without a dealer near me. However, I would NOT buy a new Lotus with no dealer near me. My hat is off to those who are willing to drive 3-5 h
  2. C8RKH: You think so little of me. IF I was going German, it would be either the MB AMG GT S or a 991.2 911 GTS (with a manual). As for this thread, given that the closest dealer is 3 hours from me, I was looking for confirmation that reliability has steadily improved with the Evora and is largely a non-isssue at this point. My concern is not trivial: there are plenty of stories here and elsewhere of owners who have had fit and finish issues with the Evora.
  3. Here is what I have seen here and elsewhere. You get a Lotus, particularly one brand new, and you spend months getting it sorted out. Generally not major issues, but a bunch of small issues, many of which should never have gotten out of the factory. After hassling with your dealer and Lotus, things do get sorted and the car is fine thereafter. That HAS to change. Such a scenario might work if you can get your car to the Lotus factory, but if you live across the pond, this is just not acceptable. Even for a US used car, it is unacceptable because any purchaser of a used Lotus has to
  4. Here is where I come down on Lotus’ future: it doesn’t matter. While there has been FAR too much secrecy surrounding new models, one thing is pretty clear: the new models will in all likelihood be a departure from existing models. If you value what the existing models represent, the new models are going to be a lot more than updates to existing models. These new models are going in a different direction and if you care for the current lineup, you probably won’t like it. I’d love to be wrong, but I just don’t envision the new models carrying forward past Lotus values intact.
  5. My sense is that the fit and finish issues have steadily improved each year on the Evora. My question is whether people are experiencing issues with the latest version (at least for the USA) or have they finally ironed everything out?
  6. I’ve looked long and hard at Lotus and have reluctantly come to the conclusion that I either can’t justify a Lotus or could only justify purchasing one at a steep discount. The reasons all come back to a failure to see any commitment by Lotus to its current lineup. I’m not expecting multi-million dollar ad campaigns, that is not realistic. However, I do expect a decent webpage. I don’t expect to wait days or weeks for parts on a $100,000 car. I do expect Lotus to have a press car that rides the auto show market in the USA, especially in major markets where they have no presence like
  7. Before I start, yes I have complained about this before and I’m going to do it again. The Washington, DC auto show is taking place right now in my nation’s capital. Just read that this is the 5th largest auto show in the country and Lotus is nowhere to be found. Hard to sell cars when people don’t even know you exist! On my side of the pond, you get the distinct impression that Lotus considers the Evora a lost cause and is unwilling to spend resources to promote the car. All of their money is being saved for what comes next. I’d like to consider an Evora for my next car, but it
  8. The things Lotus has going for it are limited numbers and it is a VERY different car from the C8. But to your point, I follow Evora prices here in the US and a 2017 Evora 400 is just now dipping below $70,000. That same money would get you a 2020 C8 with $10,000 in options. I know which one I want (Evora), but the C8 complicates the decision making process because of its value proposition. I also follow used car prices and, so far, I see little impact of the C8 on that market. One potential first victim may be the Audi R8. Prices for these cars have been going up in the used car marke
  9. The move to a mid-engined format was necessary for the Corvette. The Vette is the classic mid-life crisis car or “old man” car in the US and the demographics of their customers backs that up. They had to appeal to a younger audience and the classic front engine/RWD car was not going to do that. I think GM made the calculation that their faithful would not abandon them for going mid-engine, but that such a car would open up their market to make an appeal to the younger set. My guess is that they are probably right. My guess is also that we won’t have any good indication until the second ye
  10. I’ve been giving this thread some thought and would like to refine my prior comments. I think this is probably an OK time to buy an Evora despite the imminent availability of the C8. My reasoning is that the Lotus is the most different of all the cars in the segment. About the only thing the Evora and the C8 have in common is a mid-engine layout and a trunk behind the engine. Their approach to driving and performance is VERY different. The Lotus will appeal to the iconoclast who doesn’t want to drive a Porsche. Can’t see the C8 changing that calculus. As for the rest of the compet
  11. Liquid: My comments were not directed at Lotus, but any sports/supercar under around $150,000 and maybe under $200,000 once more powerful variants of the C8 are available. The impact of the C8 could be huge or negligible or something in between. Nobody really knows. The best argument for Lotus feeling few effects of the C8 is that Lotus sells so few cars in the US that it just won’t matter; the Lotus buyer follows the beat of a different drummer which is why they are in a Lotus instead of a Porsche (or a C8 or that matter).
  12. I have not seen the car in person. I’m told that the car looks better in person. Looking forward to seeing the car at the Washington, DC auto show in April (would be great if Lotus was there as well. Hint, hint. FYI, the greater Washington, DC area is a huge car market and Lotus is about the only company not here). We can argue about execution, but the basic layout emulates much more exotic fare at a fraction of the price. The Vette has always been a bargain in the sports car market, but the old front engine layout did not resemble much of its competition. Now it does. Will that sw
  13. At least in the US market, this may not be the time. The reason is simple: C8 Corvette. There is a great deal of uncertainty as to the impact of the new Vette on the US sports car market. What we know is that the first year allocation is nearly sold out. What we don’t know is whether these cars were sold to Vette people or whether customers crossed over from other makes. I’m sure someone will argue that the Lotus is very different and that is true, but it is also true that one can easily get a well equipped Vette for $20,000 less than the starting price of the Lotus EVora GT and abo
  14. In the US, it will probably be the Evora GT, basically a federalized GT 410 Sport
  15. Pitts: The market has spoken. Raw cars such as the current lineup do not sell in sufficient numbers for Lotus to survive. If you want the last great analogue cars Lotus is likely to produce, pick among the current line of cars. The car scheduled for next year is likely to straddle the line between today’s cars and where Lotus intends to go next which appears to be electric and much more luxurious.
  16. Actually Pitts’ response makes the most sense. Halo cars typically are utilized to enhance the brand. The problem for Lotus is that there are really no other cars currently that could benefit from this halo car effect. Looked at from a revenue perspective, it makes sense (provided the car sells).
  17. The Evija only has relevance in that it points to an electric future for Lotus. Beyond that, it as as meaningless as all the other million dollar plus cars. What will be FAR more interesting is the next car that Lotus will supposedly be introducing in 2020, the last car based on the Evora platform before all new Lotus cars appear. Of that car, we have heard very little. I expect that car to have more cues as to the direction of the company in the near future. If you could not tell, I am sick and tired of these Uber expensive cars. They will be purchased by the ultra rich and spend
  18. Ccd

    EVORA Weight

    On the subject of weight, I was reading about the new Porsche Cayman 718 GT4 and was surprised to learn that it is heavier than the Evora!
  19. If you desire exclusivity in a new car, then the Evora is likely your cheapest entre to such status. Other than a Lotus, you would have to look at bespoke used cars which will likely cost as much (or more) as an Evora with no warranty.
  20. Personally, I think there are closer comparisons with the Evora. The Alfa is a bigger car with more of a true back seat and generally bigger, heavier car. In the current car market, you are hard pressed to find direct competitors, but for around similar or less money, I’d venture for a BMW M2 or a Porsche 911. Both have back seats roughly comparable to the Evora and both can be had with a manual.
  21. Welcome. Other than the Evora, there will be a new model in 2020 based on the Evora platform. Some speculate it will be an updated Elise/Exige. Neither the current Elise nor the current Exige will be coming to the USA. Going forward, new Lotus models are expected to be federalize and available in the USA
  22. Loquatious Lew: I follow used Evora prices in the US and there is presently little indication that the Evora is going to be a future classic, at least in the US market. Now that may change. My feeling for sometime has been that the last great analogue cars will command a high price. And we have seen evidence of that in other brands. A manual Audi R8 commands a premium and you can typically add $50,000 or more for a Ferrari manual. But the value of the manual might not be the manual, but the fact that fewer of them were made and thus they are more valuable simply because they are more
  23. There has been more than enough talk of the impact of the C8 Corvette on the sports/supercar market from a price perspective. I’d like to take a different look at this car and others. Aside from price, the C8 Vette is also a re-imagining of what a car like this should be. Inside the car, everything is angle towards the driver, even the infotainment screen. Love it or hate it, I haven’t seen an interior design like it. And then let’s talk about some things we have not seen before. The front end lift that can remember 1000 different locations, the rear view mirror which is a camera, elimin
  24. Name_bran: What you are saying is certainly true today, but I’m not sure it will be true in the future. The people who can afford to buy exotic used cars are generally an older generation who remember and perhaps drove manuals in their youth. Most in the generation behind them have never owned a manual and probably can’t operate one. That will only become increasingly true over time. Will that impact the value of manuals? I honestly don’t know, but it could.
  25. Liquid: The impact of the C8 on used supercar prices will be interesting. The NSX is likely to feel the biggest impact has it has the smallest dedicated customer base. Next on the hit list, IMHO, would be the R8. Both cars are considered the supercars you could drive everyday and the C8 appears to be a better daily proposition than either of them for half the price.
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