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  1. Proper take on the GT by Petro. What a lovely review!
  2. I wanted a 4C when they were introduced....badly! I never acted on that desire and to be honest, after driving them both (local dealer is an Alfa franchisee as well as Lotus), there's no way I would swap a newer Evora for the Alfa. To be fair, they are not in the same price category so I think, at least in the USA, if you're looking for one, you're probably not in the market for the other. The real competition for the Evora here is not the 4C.....you know what that car is! The C8 is carving every other mid engined sports car a new orifice. Now, were I hot for a 4C and I had an English/European address, I'd likely buy an Alpine instead. Given the biases of our forum, I wish I could say I'd buy an Elise but I think the Alpine might suit me better as I generally prefer coupes. But given the choice I'd have an Evora (and I do) over any of those. Jury regarding the Corvette is still out for me, but obviously the equation is different in the Olde Country.
  3. As it is with my wife, so it is with my daughter who feared driving the Evora lest something untoward might happen on her watch. But I know they secretlywant to drive it so I always insist they try her out. I know how they'll feel once they have driven it. That big smile came after her first drive in the hills. Now when she visits, she asks for keys!
  4. I have no predictions since I'm not smart enough to know where this is all headed but it seems to me that if I were Lotus and wanted to build something relevant yet still appealing to a wide range of enthusiasts, I'd build a hot hatch or the like. Maybe even try to redefine the segment. I don't know what they can build in the next few years that will replace my Evora but I would love to buy something from them to replace my GTI.
  5. If the GT is granted collectible classic status (still a speculation but a pleasant one) then anything based on the 4xx chassis will be brought along for the ride. For "collectors" (if Evora actually reaches collectible status) then the GT indeed will be the one to have but talk about limited numbers. Thus for enthusiast drivers it's somewhat irrelevant which trim they get (in the USA), being mostly a question of incremental cost. I say all 4XX variants rise or fall within a reasonably predictable ranking by vintage/trim but all on the same tide.
  6. The C8 is already a success by any measure but if it will keep Lotus from selling a few hundred Evoras here is another question. I'd have to say it didn't help but Lotus' structure here is the bigger problem. Until that is fixed it's academic and we will remain a cult living in the wilderness. Would I buy a C8? It depends. Buying today I couldn't buy a GT for Corvette money. Two years ago, the 400 and a well specified C7 cost about the same (Vette was still a bit less, but only a bit). The Evora could be justified as similar money to the C7 you'd actually want. Today, a well specified GT lists for $40K more than a high spec C8. This is a tough pill to swallow.
  7. I'm not sure the new interior is really that different functionally from previous (4XX) ones but it has been nicely restyled and dressed up with a bit more attention to detail and if my eyes serve me properly, an incrementally improved level of fit and finish. All US bound cars get carbon seat backs and some carbon hard parts with those handsome contrasting seat panels that look terrific. I think for most folks the seats have always been comfortably form fitting without having being overly confining and that has been retained but the look has clearly been improved upon. I prefer a leather wheel but admit the Alcantara version looks good. I find my 400's interior a perfectly nice place to be, suited for purpose as they say but the new one is incrementally better in all visible areas. When you get down to it, complaints usually center around features. Repeating the usual refrains, there are no gauges for oil pressure, voltage, and coolant temp as we'd expect on a full featured sports car. The infotainment systems takes the now expected heat for a lack of full integration, etc. While (again) I'm not sure full integration (abandoning the double din approach) is a plus in the long run, most cross shopping people will expect a bit more in that department. The door handles are plastic, a place where I think a few ounces of nicely cast and polished aluminum would have been welcome. And so it goes. But if like many traditional Lotus customers one appreciates the simplicity and basic functionality of a clean cockpit then the interior fitment and feature set won't disappoint. Unfortunately not everyone sees it that way. A lot of the griping is about feature sets rather than actual quality per se. It does seem that build quality has been improving with each new iteration. If you're a Lotus person, this is all a plus. Yet if Lotus is looking to expand its market appeal, then the interior can be criticized for the very qualities we (the add lightness crowd) may be somewhat indifferent to. The new car's interior looks great with visibly improved fitment and a more generous use of color yet is still much like the one in my 400 as regards function. But we're the Lotus Elite (pun intended) and for broader appeal we can probably expect an expanded approach in the future in respect to feature sets. And likely, a different manufacturing approach as well. Do I want more gauges ? (I do). Do I need power seats? Not really but such things are viewed as "progress" and a process that is required to sell more cars. I just hope I can reject the things I don't want (power seats, needless gadgetry, etc) while quality and functionality continues to be improved where possible and as necessary. Oh....I don't care that the car uses Ford switch gear and many common parts. I actually see that as a plus that will likely disappear as the company further integrates all the manufacturing processes and parts acquisition. All hail the new Lotus. Just let's not fully abandon the old one in the process.
  8. J'ai eu le même problème. Commencer, vérifier les boulons de roue et votre couple de 105 Nm.
  9. Makes good sense as a name and a segment definer. .
  10. I've had red, green, orange, white, silver, gray, blue, and maroon cars in various values and hues. What does this project about me? Confusion, eclectic tastes, or a willingness to accept whatever car is on the lot for a better price? There are two colors I will no longer buy: black (maintenance issues) and silver or gray in any of their values. Gray (and it's vicious cousin, silver) is not a color!
  11. I think the largest issues in dealing with Chinese goods is not the lack of quality. As previous posters have already said, you can get what you pay for from Chinese (and Taiwanese) manufacturing. If you want goods that excel, they will cost more. If you want cheap, they will oblige. I rather think a greater danger in dealing with Chinese entities is intellectual property theft. That's the more usual scenario in a "wild east meets wild west" manufacturing joint venture. Quality is scalable in Chinese manufacturing. You get what you pay for, and so do they plus they get your design and feature sets. This is an ongoing issue and maybe the only area where I see eye to eye with our (otherwise humiliating and feckless) current administration. China is frequently predatory as respects intellectual property. Of course with Geely, that's off the table since they purchased Lotus' expertise outright and have nothing to hide in that regard. Chinese manufactured Lotus parts are likely to be every bit as good as top Japanese and Korean quality and that should be quite acceptable.
  12. Agreed. I think more benefits accrue to alloy road cars when all the hazards and costs of ownership are counted. It's a benefit to committed owners when cars can be repaired economically. Carbon fiber has strength to weight going for it but past that, I don't think I'm ready for the downsides. I don't want to require a factory repair for a minor shunt. I think CF is fabulous and pretty in its place but I worry about repair and durability since I tend to keep my cars longer than most.
  13. I don't think current resale conditions have much bearing on what the future holds for late model Evoras any more than they did for bevel drive Ducatis (gave 'em away when new) or other such slow selling now very desirable vehicles. The 2017s were not beneficiaries of routine positive press, and certainly not at introduction. Lotus' inability to promote them was not a boon to sales. The thinly scattered sales and service network makes a Lotus purchase an act of courage in the USA, further depressing prices. Yet two years later the '17s are commanding what they did when new a year after first deliveries when they weren't shifting off the floor for $75K or less. Now you can only buy a used one (be it ever so lightly used or with warranty punched but vehicle unregistered). There is currently one new (assume it's punched but unregistered) '17 Evora currently listed on Autotrader. Consider what the same search looked like just 12 months ago. All the rest (and there are but a handful) are advertised as used, and none are listed below $75K. That's roughly equal to (or more?) than the new price of many of the listings a year ago since we know that some were sold in the low 70s. (What a deal that seems now). You can't get a 2020GT anywhere near that money but a '17 is pretty much the same vehicle and easily upgraded if desired. Same for the 18s which I think currently represent the best deals on a new Evora list to sell price. And there are so few of them that they are barely a blip on the screen. I'm not suggesting 4xxs will become '62 GTOs (although what would you rather drive everyday?) but the steep slope of depreciation while sitting on the lot seems to have been arrested if the national sales sites are to be believed. Of course, advertised vs. sales price are two different things but I think we're either nearing or past peak Evora availability and prices should be stronger from here. Naturally I expect some continuing depreciation of my car as I continue to add miles but assuming I don't thrash it and use it as one typically does a fun car, I don't think there is much financial risk in it. Less than with a Cayman or a cooking grade Porsche in fact and better than a typical Vantage, Bentley, Alfa, Jag etc. Frankly, I think our cars stand a far greater chance to appreciate than any of those. Lotus cars except for the most significant have rarely achieved the prominence and prices that have characterized other exotics but then, they never cost as much from new. I don't expect anybody to ever fork over $200K for my Evora. But buying a car for $85K. (or less) in 2017 and finding it listed for 70-75K used two years later is a positive sign. If (a big if) people are still collecting cars in ten or fifteen years, the Evora has every quality that will attract those interested in fun to drive, easy to maintain, rare and handsome cars. If in fact (again!) there is a market for such things in 10 or 20 years,. This remains a question in my mind for many reasons but is worth pondering. Does one actually believe collectible gas powered cars will always be a thing in the future? Are the bulk of attainable "collectibles" to be viewed as stable long term investments? I am not sure, but if they are, I contend there will be a seat at the table for the Evora. In my calculation future means future...not this year....not next year. Be patient Grasshopper! I say the fat lady has not yet sung. Oh....and people will want the manual because that's a character multiplier. It's not for everyone but all we need is "one more buyer than there are cars." That's an easy to imagine scenario when less than 500 of them exist in the country.
  14. I went to Nashville's Cars and Coffee yesterday. I've only attended a handful of times and those were all shortly after I first bought the car so it had been a while. The car always attracts attention and that was no less true two years ago but the response it got yesterday was, if anything, greater than it received when it was brand new and the only Evora in town. People knew exactly what it was, that it had become a darling of many reviewers and enthusiasts and that it had a reputation as being great fun to drive. The reputation of the Evora is more widely acknowledged and better understood now than it was when the 400 series were first introduced. The Evora is being elevated as a potential future collectible even as the last ones are being manufactured and delivered. The days of cheap Evoras will eventually come to an end when production ceases and the last cars are finally scooped up. Our cars are not cheap even when fully discounted by resellers. They will remain an aspirational object going forward, if not at the elevated level of a Pista or a Performante. It will take a bit of patience, but I believe we can count on it. The manuals will command a premium, just as they do now. Nobody cares if the Aisin was built for a truck. If you own one, you understand why. The tranny works fine and is suited to purpose. The Evora was never going to be a 450 lb.ft. 500 HP car. It is a vehicle whose appeal is based on balance. That won't change in the future.
  15. My future with Lotus in the USA anticipates keeping the car I have. Anything new will be an addition. I don't know what they are planning to replace the current line with. Does anybody? I expect that whatever ink has already been expended predicting that the company will maintain its focus on lightweight traditionally featured IC sports cars is based on an era that is soon to die, if it's not dead already. Prepare for the sea change to a company that is focused on different values. The Evija proves that since it is being touted as a harbinger. Happy to be wrong and well could be as my prediction is based simply on gut feel. But I think I'm right.
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