Is electric really the answer in Lotus / Motoring / Cars Chat Posted February 6 · Report reply 2 hours ago, C8RKH said: ....and the batteries don't like small journeys and high cycle frequencies. It's bloody hard to sell a 4 year old Tesla in the UK and getting harder. And a lot of the older BEVs are getting to the point where the batteries are going end of live. I predict next year there will be loads of stories about people being hammered for thousands, often more than their car is worth, for new batteries! Where are you getting your prompts for these thoughts Andy? We've run an i3 for nearly 2 years and as a result I spend some time on the SpeakEV forum (which is a bit painful I admit) and these sorts of rumours are regularly flamed there. Its certainly not true that the batteries in the i3 react badly to small journeys and frequent recharging. That is exactly how we use ours and have had absolutely no degradation in 2 years, which is still only 10k miles. There are many reporting i3s from as early as 2014 with no battery degradation and there have been no battery swaps so far under the "80% of capacity in 8 years or a free swap" BMW warranty. Some cars reported coming up to 200k miles now. (This good news is for the BEV version - the version with the Range Extender motor has a bit of a - petrol engine - reliability reputation and was dropped by BMW last year) I've been looking at Tesla as a poss replacement for my 5.0SC RangeRover. I've seen that depreciation on them is actually slightly less than on the Rangey. Both £100k+ new for a top spec so otherwise comparable financially. I tend to buy at 4/5 years old and the Teslas I've looked at appear to have sold - or at least moved on from the dealers where I've seen them. They are however not a patch on the Rangey as a place I'd like to spend a lot of time. I'm not clued up on the Zoe, Leaf, and low end stuff so maybe that's where all the dud batteries are, but I doubt it. I think the industry generally has been pleasantly surprised by how well batteries have maintained performance over their life (predicted as 8+ years), so while there will no doubt be some stories, I shall be very surprised if its many. It is also true that batteries are improving all the time (the current i3 has about a 30% battery improvement over ours - which is itself 50% better than the original i3 of 2014-2016) so our view of the early cars may be that their batteries are useless, whereas they may in practice still be performing as they originally did.