[Today's Times reports some second-hand cars cost more than new]

Probably all spoken for?

["Normal" petrol in the Evora]

Yes, but I’m in Australia and we also measure in RON. So crap is crap for us

["Normal" petrol in the Evora]

This thread had me so confused until I realised UK regular unleaded is 95 octane!

Our regular crap here is 91, and I’d never put that in my car!

[The end for the Evora]

41 minutes ago, LotusLeftLotusRight said:

Can you trundle around town at 30mph in 4th in the GT4? I find these highly geared German cars counter-productive when designed for fuel economy. I just end up driving around a gear or two lower than with a normal box, which completely defeats the object.

Yeah I agree. My other car is an i30N, it is always telling me to shift up. Claimed 8L/100km, I get more like 13, and I’m a pretty conservative driver! On the freeway at 100kph in 6th, I joked to my wife I’m surprised it’s not asking me to change to 7th…

[Anybody have any SSC contacts?]

To clarify my earlier comment, I can’t speak for the experience from overseas, but as a local SSC are magnificent. They go above and beyond and care about our cars as much as we do. I’d never take my Lotus anywhere else.

But they can miss emails, and the solution is simply to call them. I’ve never had to wait more than two hours for a call back.

[Anybody have any SSC contacts?]

TBH I often don’t get replies to emails either. I know it’s a pain because of time difference, but best way is to call them.

[Today's Times reports some second-hand cars cost more than new]

I suppose it depends how much camping and offroading are part of the local culture!

i should mention, those aren't made up numbers on anecdotal evidence… they're stats released by one of the motoring bodies!

[Today's Times reports some second-hand cars cost more than new]

3 hours ago, LotusLeftLotusRight said:

Hang on. The top 9 are premium and high value sports cars. I bought a brand new stock VW Passat Estate hybrid last week from a VW dealer with a £5000 discount off the list price. I don’t expect to land a £13k profit by putting it back up for sale…

In australia, old Landcruisers are up 50%, old Corollas are up 30%…

[Today's Times reports some second-hand cars cost more than new]

Sounds like you guys are about 6-12 months behind Australia. Supply issues, high demand with no one wanting to take trains and buses, and economic stimulus have pushed prices up. Dealers sell new cars above sticker price. I advertised a 15 year old Mazda 6 at what i thought was 25% above market value (and 50% above what i paid five years prior), because I needed to hang onto it for a few weeks. It was under deposit within the week.

[second thoughts?]

1 hour ago, mg4lotus said:

Conversely, competing manufacturers will probably infiltrate to spread doom and gloom and encourage people to back out. A manufacturer I used to work for used to spy on competitors to get an inside handle on what they were doing. These things do happen.

 

1 hour ago, jimichanga said:

You have to wonder… things have certainly  changed here since Emira launch. Porsche are super manipulative, so many of the youtubers are in new Porsches now, a number of them have admitted to not being into Porsches previously.

Hmmm…

[The end for the Evora]

2 hours ago, au-yt said:

Justin, When I listen to the comments about the EMIRA I constantly refect on how relevant they are to the EVORA, no money for decent marketing is more than likely the reason

The other reason is probably just bad timing. Being on sale in the wake of the GFC is rotten luck, then a few years later you’re forgotten as newer things come out…

[Radium intake n/a]

Some guys in Australia reported MAF sensor issues with the Radium. You can probably find the info on AussieElises somewhere.

[Evora prices post Emira launch]

8 hours ago, Hughesy83 said:

I think the NA cars have bottomed out now and will keep going north for a bit and probably firm up at £30k ish. S cars slightly more £35-40k.

as for the 400’s they may take a knock to start with but think they will be a £60k car in the feature. All eve peas are going to be collectible mainly because, they look exotic, sound fantastic, drive very well and are cheap to run. The emira in my opinion will get people looking at evoras, and thinking yes the interior is not as good but it looks fab and has rear seats (sort of)

I am keeping mom long term hopefully. Wish I did with my old intergrale and alpine a610, as they are all worth far more than what I paid for them.

If classic status is achieved, do you really think a 400 is double an NA?

FWIW, in Oz NAs are already asking your equivalent of 38k plus… (and rising thanks to COVID pricing)

[The Emira is beautiful, flawless......will this become boring at a given moment?]

On 23/08/2021 at 23:37, mg4lotus said:

1. "best car ever" is subjective. For some people it will be, for others it won't. Numbers supplied by Lotus have nothing to do with it.

2. I don't recall any negative comments about the Evora's styling. It's a beautiful car also.

3. a. None of the cars are being wiped away. If you've got an Elise / Exige / Evora you can still keep it. If you want to get one in future you will have to go to the second hand market. That is normal with cars.   b. "middling all rounder sports car", how do you know that, you've not got one.    c. SUV - If the picture with the Evija and three other vehicles under covers where one of them is the Emira and another one might be an SUV, it looks like no SUV I have seen. I'm preparing to be amazed. Go Lotus! (Can't afford to buy one, sadly)

4. How do you know what the plan is?

5. You don't have to be left behind. You can stay on board if you want to.

6. How do you know what they are expecting or welcoming?

7. If you are wanting some tolerance you should be more tolerant.

If this Emira section is a party for those heading towards Emira ownership you are being a party-pooper. This section is effectively acting as a marketing tool for the Emira and you are acting as a damp squib.

Point well made and… deafening silence. Just like all reasoned and logical arguments have been ignored or met with silence.

Also, I can never read “damp squib” anymore without thinking about the IT crowd and “damp squid”…

[The Emira is beautiful, flawless......will this become boring at a given moment?]

2 hours ago, jimichanga said:

The way Emira drives wasn’t mentioned at any point. The thread title states that it is ‘beautiful and flawless’ and yes it is already getting quite tedious.

Regarding sales success I am surprised how well received it appears to have been by the so called ‘traditional’ Lotus fans, Lotus was hoping for a car to reach beyond them/us but they appear to have created something that appeals to trad buyers/fans as well. How much impact the car has made among Cayman, Ftype and others new to Lotus remains to be seen, very hard to gauge on here. But that is the measure by which Lotus will consider it a success or not.

Simply untrue. You may not have mentioned driving in THIS thread, but everywhere else you bleat about it being too heavy, no real step forward as a drivers car blah blah… have you driven one?

What’s a traditional Lotus fan? You drive an Evora… are you a true fan? Or is that only for Elige drivers? Where would that leave Esprit?

And don’t go telling me all about “adding lightness” if you still have a radio, A/C or sound deadening in your car…

I’ve been biting my tongue but as others have pointed out, you really do seem to be going out of your way to criticise and even alienate the new Lotus fans and deposit holders on here…

[The Emira is beautiful, flawless......will this become boring at a given moment?]

Sigh, recurring theme. Agree, nobody here is a delicate petal when it comes to criticising our cars, but we actually HAVE them… I’m not precious if ppl want to criticise the Emira, but if you do, we may all feel free to retort that you’ve not driven it yet so your opinion is pure speculation…

As for the Evora and 4C examples, the problem is values are going up because of scarcity, not just classic status. Which in fact reflects a failure of sales. So I really do hope Emira succeeds, but the proof will be in the sales and not how good it is…

[Evora market watch, for discussion and to help those searching!]

Haha fair point! But if I’m just pootling around, I don’t need higher rpm everywhere… there’s plenty of torque for normal driving

[Evora market watch, for discussion and to help those searching!]

I've got a long ratio 'box and TBH I don't covet a CR box. The LR box is better proven long-term, and CR only changes ratios 3-4-5-6 which makes no difference on the road IMO. 2nd redlines at ~120kph, so you'd have to be tracking it with some seriousness to care whether you had a CR box?

[Should I buy an Exige/Evora or keep my R32 GT-R]

Nah, I'll just go out there and say, BUY A LOTUS.

"I regret buying a Lotus" is something no one said, ever.

[Emira - technical]

No sense of occasion without the big sills  Same as climbing into a Corolla

[Emira - technical]

A 911 is just a reworked Beetle. There, I said it

[Evora prices post Emira launch]

14 hours ago, Likuid said:

This is kind of where I am at and probably somewhat had to do with my initial disappointment in the Emira. To me the move from my 400 to the Emira feels like a more horizontal move, based on the current performance numbers we have been given. I might drive me 400 1 or 2 days a week during the driving time of year. For 4 or 5 months of the year it sits because of winter. So while the tech and improved looks are very nice, its still hard to justify right now without also seeing a performance jump. I am sure they will get there eventually with the Emira and maybe that day is the day I put in my order.

 

Lotus has rarely been the last word in pace. If you really want to go fast, TBH a Golf R with a tune would probably leave most “sports cars” for dead, and you’d save a heap of money. From there, the next step up in pace is a GT3, SF90 or hyper car or whatever those silly things are called. Things where all the driving is done by computers.

Unless one is an absolute driving god or taking their car on track ALL the time chasing the last tenth, beyond a certain point more pace is meaningless. What you get from an Evora 4xx or the Emira is IMHO plenty for public roads and most tracks. What you get in spades over aforementioned Golfs or hypercars is a HUGE smile on your face.

An ideal Emira to me would lose 80-100kg, return to NA power and thus lose 100bhp, plus be 2+2. In other words, a like for like replacement of my Evora S1.

One thing I love about my Evora is I can touch the throttle without instantly losing my licence. So yes, I’m saying I’d actually rather the Emira had a SLOWER version, as it would be more fun at road legal speeds.

[Euro ⚽️]

I’m constantly surprised Italy have the mental capacity for penalties. It must be exhausting looking for real or imaginary objects to trip over for 120 minutes.

[Emira width ??]

Believe the SSC quote is mirrors folded, which would make reverse parking a little tricky…

[Euro ⚽️]

As an Aussie, I'd normally take no greater pleasure than watching English hearts break... BUT also as an Aussie, I will NEVER, EVER forgive those cheating Italian play actors for robbing us in the 2006 World Cup, so just this once... Go England!!