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  1. How about a verified legal professional, expert in EU law? (now I’m done…)
  2. Provide verified facts or counter-arguments to further the debate? ❌ Attempt to discredit sources? 👍 I think I’m done here, back to the car stuff 😂
  3. I think both sides were just left with limited options after the UK drew several red lines, making negotiations very complex. We had a wide range of options as per the slide below, but painted ourselves into a corner. I’m not sure how the NI issue can be downplayed, just listen to John Major's views. As for the federal state, we had a veto, opt-outs and a vote. We would never have been forced to accept the Euro, an EU army, etc. etc. because of these. A lot of these myths are dispelled here: https://fullfact.org/europe/viral-list-about-lisbon-treaty-wrong/
  4. I agree, it’s going to take a while for things to settle down. I don’t think the government yet understands what it signed up to, despite us being involved in setting the rules for third countries for many years. However, an improvement in relations is needed so the EU will need to be more flexible at some point, I hope both sides move closer together rather than further apart. There’s just not much will/patience at the moment, particularly on top of a pandemic.
  5. 1. I try to make my posts based on what's actually happened, & particularly the vaccines post I think what's actually happened shows that EU membership had little relevance to the vaccine rollout. I just get tired of the continued 'us vs. them' approach to the EU and they get a lot of criticism which I'm just trying to diffuse. 2. Nothing I say will make any difference to the success of Brexit. In terms of my actions, I'm continuing to work in the same industry now working on a way forwards after we no longer need to follow EU regulations, so I'm literally being paid to make Brexit work better. 3. I want our country to be as successful as possible, and I have serious concerns about the path we're taking. Like Brexiters did, I'm willing to live here for decades under a system which I am unhappy with, in order to vote for change when the opportunity arises. The opportunity will arrive someday (unless I'm proved wrong and Brexit is a success), because the young overwhelmingly voted remain. 4. The vote was between: - staying signed up to c.700 pages of specific EU treaties, or - 'something else' The 'something else' could have taken many forms, I believe the form which we've ended up with was too 'hard Brexit' and there is room for a closer & more aligned relationship with Europe in everyone's interest.
  6. I’m taking the Evora to this on Sunday 29th August: http://stamfordcarshow.co.uk Say hello if you’re there ✋ Lovely town well worth a visit, and it’s one of the more varied & family friendly car events I’ve been to.
  7. I think part of it is down to us planning to use more of the AZ (Oxford) vaccine, which turned out to have unacceptable health risks for under 40s. We have fallen back on Pfizer and Moderna for this age range, and have less available due to these supply assumptions about AZ. In itself this is a demonstration of why speeding up the approval process might not have been the best approach. However, this is probably over-simplifying and I’m sure there are many other factors at play.
  8. This chart is for double jabbed, i.e. fully vaccinated. Age is an interesting point, we are not yet planning to vaccinate under 18s as far as I'm aware, which is perhaps why the Government keep referring to the 'adult population' when talking about vaccine success. I believe Spain are planning to vaccinate over 12s and have overtaken us in terms of proportion of population double jabbed. We have been successful and it's a great achievement for the initial procurement and the NHS rollout, but I don't think it's justified to try and paint us as a special case or claim a Brexit benefit.
  9. I think this thread is a great demonstration of just how far the available information sources out there have diverged. The truth is somewhere in the middle, which is why I try to provide an independent source for as many of my claims as possible. 'Vaccines' has been used an an answer to many questions about the UK's handing of the pandemic, and often linked to Brexit. 1. It is untrue that EU laws would have prevented us taking the approach we did. In fact, we started the process during the transition period while still under EU law! https://fullfact.org/health/coronavirus-vaccine-brexit/ 2. Ok, some may say we might have gone along with the EU procurement scheme for unity/solidarity, and this would have slowed us down. True, this would have meant we were slower out of the blocks. However, the vaccine rollout has only just now started to benefit us in terms of reduced restrictions etc., because you need most of the population to be vaccinated for the benefits to be felt. In this regard, we have been caught up and in some cases overtaken by Europe, while they continue a quicker trajectory toward completing the project. We have stalled. The chart below shows we began well, but now (when vaccine benefits are starting to be felt) we are underperforming. Funnily enough, this isn't being shouted by the press, as there is money to be made by EU bashing. 3. The faster rollout may have saved more vulnerable lives by getting to them earlier, true. However, our slowness to lock down repeatedly has cost far more lives than a slightly faster rollout has saved, due to the high infection rates the government has been willing to tolerate (hence us having one of the highest death tolls in the world). Sorry if this is slightly off-topic, but as a claimed Brexit benefits go, this is a weak one.
  10. True, it was a bit of an empty point that one. Funny you mention North Korea though, that’s the direction we’re heading, apparently. State controlled media (or vice versa..), reneging on international agreements, deemed a danger to the world by scientists, noisy protests banned, flags everywhere, hard borders & so on…
  11. Brexit was not all about immigration, I can understand anyone who voted leave (I mean David bloody Cameron was the guy trying to sell the status quo) but the vote would have gone the other way without the media and certain politicians stoking up unfounded fears: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/brexit-prejudice-scientists-link-foreigners-immigrants-racism-xenophobia-leave-eu-a8078586.html I think this country has a big problem with xenophobia and has to face up to it. It's a minority, but a loud one. I'm not sure I see a link between the social changes you outline & migrants. Laying the blame with 'the wrong kind of migrants' ignores how the 'native' population & society has changed. The attitudes above are not exclusive to migrants, there are plenty of those born here who don't play by the rules and many let down by the system. Also, if migrants struggle to integrate for whatever reason, their children won't, and will become Doctors, nurses etc. - Local authority funding has been slashed, meaning urban areas have gone into decline. Upkeep of public areas, lack of funding for local services, e.g. libraries, leisure facilities etc. - Technology has created a less personable generation. - The upbringing of the new generation now in work has created a sizeable minority of UK born people unwilling to put in hard graft. The message went from 'hard work pays' to 'you can be/do/have what you want'. - The rise of the need for in-work benefits and food banks, due to 'trickle down' economics being a fallacy. I don't know how you’re suggesting we can filter migrants by attitude, this seems a simplistic solution to the societal problems you describe which are caused by many factors. It's down to an individual level, and making assumptions about someone's intentions based on where they have come from cannot be the answer. This issue gets far too much oxygen, so that the rich can point the finger at others while they continue getting away with murder. Anyway, back to Brexit, funnily enough most of the reasons you state are the same kind of reasons for my thinking it's an absolute disaster. - My rights & freedoms have been taken away. It is now much harder to work or retire in 27 other countries, whereas I had the automatic right before (provided I could support myself, otherwise under EU law I could be returned home within 3 months. A law we never decided to implement in the UK, notably). - Milking the system for all its worth / unelected elite - if the EU are an unelected elite abusing the system (which I dispute, and even if it were true, we used to receive £10 back in economic benefit for every £1 spent on the EU budget), we have simply replaced them with unelected bureaucrats and the vote leave team. They have taken over our government and do whatever the hell they want. E.g. contracts for mates, political donations for a seat in the Lords, a Royal yacht in the pipeline.. - I work in an industry heavily regulated by the EU (until now), and have been involved in EU consultations and the implementation of new laws. My experience is of a fair and transparent process, with consumer protection at the forefront of new lawmaking. My company was expanding into Europe due to being aligned with the same rules, and now we are selling off our European operations. I valued barrier free trade with our nearest neighbours, & the choice this offers. We are facing a lost decade financially, so these Brexit benefits better start arriving soon....
  12. - The vast majority don't come to the UK, and do stay on the continent. - Many of those who do come here already speak some English due to our (& the USA's) success in global entertainment. Hence they have better prospects & can more quickly integrate. - The government and many other nationalists love to paint the UK as the greatest country on earth & intrinsically 'better', and at the same time wonder why some migrants are attracted here.
  13. I do not mean to insult any individuals by linking immigration and Brexit. I don't think anyone can deny that it was certainly a factor (Farage 'Breaking Point' poster, false warnings about Turkey etc.) and in itself is not automatically linked to racism (which I didn't mention). Only a minority of Brexiters are racist (but I am fairly confident that every racist would have voted leave...😉). Yes, there are legal frameworks to take people back to the original country of entry, but this responsibility is not on the migrant themselves, but the country in which they arrive. I just think it is important to make it clear who exactly is being criticised when talking about migrants; if it is genuinely the system/government then it would help gain support from everyone to be explicit about this rather than leaving it open to interpretation. Your views seem based on two main areas: - Financial cost to the public purse - Attitude/legitimacy of the migrants themselves In financial terms, according to this anti-immigration site, the asylum system costs £1bn per year in housing & support payments. https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/news/2020/10/03/cost-of-housing-and-payments-for-failed-asylum-claimants-estimated-at-130-million-per-year This is £15 per year per person in the UK, or around £30 per working person. In comparison: - Brexit is costing around £800m per week. This is £630 per person per year, or £1200 per working person. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-vote-cost-trade-eu-b1843018.html - Test & trace has cost something like £20bn, vastly more than other countries spent for the same systems: https://fullfact.org/online/37bn-test-trace-spending/ - We spend £23bn on housing benefit in total per year. https://obr.uk/forecasts-in-depth/tax-by-tax-spend-by-spend/welfare-spending-housing-benefit/ - £1bn is 0.1% of total public spending: https://obr.uk/forecasts-in-depth/brief-guides-and-explainers/public-finances/ - It is about 5% of the tax gap: https://fullfact.org/economy/tax-gap/ - We pay less in benefits per migrant than many other European countries. On the Brexit figure alone, we are losing per week what the asylum system costs us per year. And this is for the exact thing which was supposed to fix the 'problem'. Isn't the amount of anger/attention that migration receives grossly disproportionate? Why is the media not spending 20x more time than this on Government misuse of public funds, tax evasion, or the cost of Brexit? Why is it not pointed out that we take in less than our fair share of migrants? In terms of the attitude of migrants, I'm not sure how this could be measured other than employment rates, which I don't see evidence of being any worse than decades ago. Migrants arriving today will become key contributors to the economy in decades to come. And the legitimacy of claims - if you are willing to risk your life crossing the sea in a small dinghy, to get to a country paying less in benefits than Germany, Denmark & others, I don't think it's motivated by pure greed for handouts. Trying to keep it on topic, Brexit is costing a fortune and hasn't delivered on any of its promises.
  14. 'Brexit wasn't about immigration'.... just look at the state of this Brexit thread 😂 A few thoughts after reading some of the above: - https://fullfact.org/immigration/refugees-first-safe-country/ - In other words, 'required to stay in the first safe country' is misinformation. - However, that's what they tend to do. In the year ending March 2021, the UK received 26,903 asylum applications. In 2020 (the latest period for which data is currently available), the highest number of first-time asylum applicants was registered in Germany with 121,995 first-time applicants followed by France with 92,200, Spain with 88,530 and Greece with 40,560. - Brexit hasn't made any positive difference to UK migration. In fact, useful workers have gone home in droves and seasonal workers have stayed away (see lorry driver & food picker shortages) while we continue to see illegal crossings. Perhaps we could train enough replacements, but it looks unlikely and at best it was reckless to create a cliff edge. - The English language is a draw to many migrants, having learned it through the internet/TV. Also, those in charge love nothing more than talking about the UK's greatness, while standing in front of 25 giant Union Jacks, and then seem surprised when people want to get here. - Given the numbers involved, and the fact we are actually a great & well developed country, responsible for some of the turmoil migrants have experienced, I'm sure we can handle them. Many have gone on to become key workers. Furthermore, the 'native' birth-rate is insufficient to create the workers we need for the future. - Farage attacking the RNLI (which historically is neutral to the point of saving German soldiers from the seas in WW2) is disgusting, but at least it has driven a spike in donations so perhaps there is some compassion left in this place. People's anger is so easily manipulated to be directed at migrants, when it's billionaires who control the message & the prospects of workers...
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