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  1. Agreed - the biggest concern I'd have with a 2nd hand 211 would be it's history and warranty. I expect the cars to spend time on track and it's unreasonable to say otherwise. Properly looked after I don't have a problem with it.

    Gonna have a word with B&C and weigh up the options. Veering towards a new one to be honest.

  2. Oh no!

    Thats a real shame - the car was in stunning condition and obviously very pampered and looked after. Is it terminal damage?

    I no I've been too-ing and fro-ing about it and I think somebody did mention that another person was interested. Wonder if it was the test drive or being taken back to the owner. Either way not a call I'd like to have made.

    Am a bit dissappointed (but I guess nowhere near as dissappointed as the owner) - had finally sold it to myself as a good thing to do.

  3. Had the drive on friday - have to say (in short) a stunning car.

    I've ran Elise's for years now (the last 12 months the first time in ages been elise-less) with my last one a Series 2 Sport 190. Definately two completely different cars - I used to love the peaky nature of the tuned-to-within-an-inch K series but the shove from the 2-11 engine is non-stop from low down to the limiter. Considering the same tyres, mechanical grip on the 2-11 is much higher with a faster steering (made me think it has a faster rack). Even over crappy raod surfaces it wouldn't be provoked.

    The area I was concerned with was the brakes - my old s2 was last of the K's and so had the non-servo'd brakes. The servo asistance on the 111r's was "ok" but still a vague. Lotus do seem to have sorted it out as the pedal had good feel and quite natural to heel-n-toe whilst still getting the most out of the brakes.

    Just putting all the things together as I'm really interested - my only other question now... How much are the Tonneau covers? ;)

    Aha - found them

  4. It varies from tyre to tyre but in general a rule of thumb is that a tyre's peak coefficient of longitudial friction is when the wheel is moving at a speed difference of 15% to the road surface. So yes you do want to break traction to a degree off the line.

    Mentioning the launch control - how do you set it? (just curious). Does it work well?

  5. The pre 2008 cars ( the first 50 anyway) were built by LotusSport themselves before building them was changed to Lotus production line, so IMHO I think they may have a greater resale value .

    My last one was from LSP and I had to do alot of remedial work!

    (the wiring loom was shocking, sensors were not located properly, throttle pedal was out by miles, throttle bodies not balanced, steering rack was loose and as for the throttle cable mounting and routing... it caused the cable to snap within 4k miles!)

    Was also off the road for about 8 weeks with an ECU mapping problem too causing misfire protection to trip.

    Loved the car and was sorry to see it go but I did swear to mysel that I'd not do it again ;)

  6. I'm off to look at the Oxted one. I did try the Christopher Neil's one but they offered a laughable trade in with no scope for negotiaion. Considering the CN one is pre-2008 mods I'd have thought they would be more open (and they have started reducing the price) but hey... what can you do. Noticed that they have dropped the price more than once.

    One of the Ford sales persons is a Lotus fan and elise owner and quite enthusiastic - ended up chatting lotus for quite a while.

    Jo - you mentioned (I think iot was you) that you used a halford dupont external cover - what size di you go for? I'm guessing the small should do it but at 80 quid want to make sure ;)

  7. Hi all,

    I'm off to look at a 2-eleven this week and am very tempted - just wondering if people have any pointers or things to definately look at. It's very recent (May 2008 build) and has the updated wing mirror mounts (diagonal rather than upright).

    Also, I've posted on selec about issues with rain on the cabin - how good is the interior for dealing with the (innevitable) shower? The car I'm looking at is launch spec with the yellow launch spec seats. Am hoping that they are able to cope with getting soaked - One person did say about having velcro attachable cushions which makes sense. How does the dash and instrument cluster hold up to getting wet?

    I've seen some various posts over the years about the details of the warranty of 2-elevens - can anybody say for sure how it works with these cars? (I've had cars from LSP before so know I need to ask about it!)



  8. The whole power v torque argument isn't new however there is only one answer for acceleration and you want power.

    Acceleration is generated by wheel torque. Wheel torque is a function of Engine torque, engine RPM and gear ratio (including final drive and wheel radius). Or to simplify in other words a function of engine power and gearing.

    A modern f1 engine has circa 900 bhp and I sure you'll agree has no shortage of acceleration. Peak torque? around 250-300 lb ft. there are huge number of cars that can top that but nowhere near that kind of performance.

    A high torque engine can feel faster and on the road and will be more flexible out of the optimum rev range or if you are caught in the wrong gear.

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