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  1. Brown is quite popular here in Switzerland at the moment. My guess is that about 1/10th of all Porsche 911s (991) are in that colour. Less so on Boxsters and Caymans but certainly on the non-sports cars. Quite a few of the dealers have ordered their cars up in brown. The colour that seems 'up-and-coming' at least from my recent trip to the Geneva motor show is red, especially something between red and burgundy. Mazda had all their cars on the stand in that colour. When I'm back in the UK I always notice how many different colour cars are on the road. Here it's grey / black / white and thoroughly depressing. I have a soft spot for green.
  2. Switzerland figures for 2013 Elise 18 Evora 24 Exige 37. For an overview of the market I produced these visualisations last year: Market overall 2006-2012 By brand (preselected to Peugeot)
  3. Phil, pretty much all the cars you mention are old only in name. I would imagine a new Range Rover, Boxster, 911 shares about 10% or less from the same named model even 5 years ago. You can't say that with an Elise. For a car company a large (majority?) or new car buyers will be upgrading from an earlier model of the same brand / car. There is nothing in the S that would convince me to upgrade from the SC I ordered in 2009. Sure the engine is different (though is it better - it certainly doesn't rev to 8000 like mine does) and I'd get a different light cluster but fundamentally it's the same car. If I had bought a Boxster or 911 then Porsche would now be able to offer cars which are fundamentally differently. It would have been the same with an Exige. If you look at sales figures for cars, especially sports cars, they sell well for the first 24-36 months then sales trail off significantly. Porsche are really smart - they do body improvements at the beginning of a model range then make significant mechanical changes mid cycle effectively giving 2 different sales cycles in one. Special editions rarely make much impact on sales figures. Lotus need a new Elise. When Lotus launched the Elise it was completely different to the competition. Nowadays the rest have, to some degree, caught up. A Boxster isn't that much less involving than an Elise, however you could jump in and drive 200 motorway miles in one and get out feeling fresh. Do that in an Elise and you'll feel beaten up. The world has moved on.
  4. Ah, my stomping ground and the very reason why I'm in an Elise. I can't think of a better car for those roads, regardless of price. OK, the Exige Roadster would be worth a go. The Grimsel has got some good bits. You're right on it being better for a faster car - there are some great more open bits but you always have to be careful of speed checks in these (as on all Swiss passes). The Grimsel Hospiz is one of the best places to stop for a cake stop on a drive, hence why you'll rarely be the only sportscar / supercar in the car park. Best pass IMHO is the Nufenen (though care is needed - a 997 driver went over the edge a year or so ago during an overtake). The Lukmania also is worth doing. Both are much less crowded. Photos of a drive last year on said roads All passes are best done at sunrise or early evening when the tourists have left.
  5. OK, so I'm paying at least 250% of those prices (+ all the other bits that go wrong). I'll see if I can find an Indy (know any in Switzerland / Germany south of Stuttgart?) It's also 3-4 hours round trip (for dropping off and picking up) to get it to the current dealer. Unfortunately it looks like it's going to be taken off the road until spring 2014 in the coming week(s) as my diary is looking full until the passes close again in the autumn. 2 drives between services was not what I was hoping for.
  6. I've been following the book with my Elise SC having full services every year even though I guess my average mileage is about 3000 miles per year. At main dealer it's not cheap - certainly my Porsche friends are paying less (because their service is only every other year). Given it's out of warranty what is a pragmatic approach? I don't mind paying the money if it's going to be cheaper / better for the car in the long run, but neither do I want to throw money down the drain. Are there some items that are definitely worth doing on an annual basis, others where a check is needed but others which are probably OK to do every other year? There is a decent chance I might keep the car indefinitely so I care about long-term approaches.
  7. I got to sit in one in Geneva this year. It's not at all likely to tempt me out of the Elise but on paper the numbers between it and my SC are pretty close to identical. Of course it's missing a proper gearbox. What surprised me was the lack of perceived quality improvement over the Elise. Maybe it was similar to the Tesla but it felt like the product of a mass-market producer, cheap feeling plastic switches and all. It would be night and day going between it and a modern Boxster / Cayman.
  8. They've built their national sales centre in Winterthur which is a stone's throw from us. I expect them to sell like hot cakes here. I see more of the roadsters on the road than I do elises / exiges. I think CH, NL and Norway are the big markets for Tesla in Europe. We don't get subsidies on electric cars and tax is canton dependent. Here in Zurich we won't pay road tax which is something like CHF600 a year for the Lotus from memory. I worked out the cost of 'fuelling' if done at night on our premium, renewables-only electricity contract was about CHF17. Our usual family car costs about CHF90-100 to fill (it needs 98RON and drinks it at an astonishing rate for a small, lightish car). Map of self-reported orders here.
  9. Is the Model S really in the same class? Size-wise it's about the same as a 5 series or A6 and here at least priced at the same level as the most expensive models of those cars (I guess there is some overlap). In Switzerland the official import stats puts the Panamera in the same class as the S, A8 etc and it outsells everything else in the market. Anyway, I think it's fab and when I look at the trips that I do I'm probably only talking 5-10 a year for which it'd struggle. Most of those are through Germany to the NL but if there was a fast charging at Karlsruhe sort of area I might be able to do that with some planning and a coffee stop. The guys in the Zurich dealership keep trying to get my family out in one but I know it would be a slippery slope.
  10. I have the same problem Phil, all my clients want to keep things hush-hush. In terms of the name, it will be the name as well as the logo which is trademarked. Hypothetically of course, I would imagine they're a nice client to have.
  11. I would have thought that was standard. You'd be using their IP without their permission otherwise - the law is pretty robust in this area.
  12. Günter, I guess in Germany you'd be OK if it was something like the Merc SLS electric drive - is it just the German press who are suspicious of any non-German car?
  13. I'm not sure that's entirely right. Last time I had a chat to the folk in my local Tesla centre they still had a few left in the european distribution network. If you look at a Model S it feels a big step forward from where the Roadster was. Maybe this one will feel a big step on from the Roadster but I'm not holding hope. If you look at the markets like here in Switzerland which have been big buyers of Teslas they all have relatively low speed limits on country roads (here 80kmh, NL 80kmh etc) For the type of roads we drive on it's acceleration not top speed which counts.
  14. Do we need it to be quicker and have gears? I'm not sure how this moves the world on. If I was looking for this type of car I think I'd be more tempted with a Tesla as it seems like the firm has a very good chance of being here in a few years time. Don't get me wrong, I'm as glad as anyone that Lotus is getting more work but think it would have been better done as an electric Evora.
  15. Apart from having 4 doors the Aston fits your GT description pretty well. I (188cm) can fit in the back with another me in the front but I wouldn't want to for too long a drive. It's not a Panamera in that respect. Aston raced the Rapide with only minor changes (mostly safety) and it did pretty well. Road & Track lapped a standard car for 24 hours with impressive results. I wouldn't think many of the other 4 door coupes would stand up well to that sort of use. But, and I think this is a big but, I don't think if you were serious about taking a car on a track you'd think of buying most GTs. The cost of consumables would be hard to stomach and I bet you'd have more fun in something like an old elise. I have a good friend with a S1 exige for short tracks and until recently a GT3RS for taking to the ring. Both of these cars are designed for this type of environment. Can you track a GT? Yes, of course you can. Would you want to? Probably not if you're serious about track driving.
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