Popular Post Advantage 910 Posted July 19, 2019 Popular Post Report Share Posted July 19, 2019 😆 From Pistonheads: someone has called out the usual PH anti-Lotus negativity: PH'er Otolith: "Really, all the negativity round here, and it could be avoided with one small styling change." 2 1 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
au-yt 489 Posted July 19, 2019 Report Share Posted July 19, 2019 Just Porsche guys sour grapes, to me there is real arrogance withing the Porsche and Ferrari camps. I know I've been in both. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ramjet 1,090 Posted July 20, 2019 Report Share Posted July 20, 2019 9 hours ago, C8RKH said: I absolutely loved this. Nice one Greg! I don't understand why you would? A twin exhaust on a vehicle that does not have an engine? Satire? Quote All we know is that when they stop making this, we will be properly, properly sad.Jeremy Clarkson on the Esprit. Opinions are like armpits. Everyone has them, some just stink more than others. Link to post Share on other sites
Gold FFM C8RKH 6,427 Posted July 20, 2019 Gold FFM Report Share Posted July 20, 2019 Yes, satire, or more commonly known as taking the piss 🙄 Quote Alcohol. Sex. Tobacco. Drugs. Chocolate. Meh! NOTHING in this world is as addictive as an Evora +0. It's not for babies! The first guy to ride a bull for fun, was a true hero. The second man to follow him was truly nuts! Link to post Share on other sites
ramjet 1,090 Posted July 20, 2019 Report Share Posted July 20, 2019 Aha! You of him? Or him of Lotus? I just watched the unveiling video. I have to admit it as well, it is one gorgeous looking vehicle. Quote All we know is that when they stop making this, we will be properly, properly sad.Jeremy Clarkson on the Esprit. Opinions are like armpits. Everyone has them, some just stink more than others. Link to post Share on other sites
Gold FFM C8RKH 6,427 Posted July 20, 2019 Gold FFM Report Share Posted July 20, 2019 Nope. Him of EV's.... I think the humour was well and truly lost on you. Never mind.... Quote Alcohol. Sex. Tobacco. Drugs. Chocolate. Meh! NOTHING in this world is as addictive as an Evora +0. It's not for babies! The first guy to ride a bull for fun, was a true hero. The second man to follow him was truly nuts! Link to post Share on other sites
ramjet 1,090 Posted July 20, 2019 Report Share Posted July 20, 2019 Yup. I will go to my grave not understanding the joke. 1 Quote All we know is that when they stop making this, we will be properly, properly sad.Jeremy Clarkson on the Esprit. Opinions are like armpits. Everyone has them, some just stink more than others. Link to post Share on other sites
Popular Post auRouge 438 Posted July 21, 2019 Popular Post Report Share Posted July 21, 2019 On 19/07/2019 at 11:20, Simon Bateman said: , it seems to me that It's a road car, that also benefits from enough aero and track knowhow, so as to be very very effective on the track as well. and best yet... it wont get black flagged for noise 🙄 😂 what a fantastic start for Geely. a genuine Ferrari competitor / beater. the name Lotus properly resurrected from the hay days of F1 successes. cant wait to see what the new Elise, Exige and Evora’s will be like! the standards and investment are now no question where they deserve to be. hats off to HetheL, exciting times for Lotus and all its fans. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
USAndretti42 313 Posted July 21, 2019 Report Share Posted July 21, 2019 I read that the electric motors are coming from Integral Powertrain. I worked there up to a year ago and didn't know anything about that. I knew they had visited Lotus but they visit, and are visited by, many manufacturers. Shows they are good at keeping secrets too. They also did the motor for the VW Pikes Peak car so have a good pedigree. 2 Quote S4 Elan, Elan +2S, Federal-spec, World Championship Edition S2 Esprit #42, S1 Elise, Excel SE Link to post Share on other sites
Simon Bateman 109 Posted July 22, 2019 Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 13 hours ago, auRouge said: and best yet... it wont get black flagged for noise 🙄 😂 True, although will it not have to have some form of synthesised engine noise...... All new models of electric cars sold in the European Union must now make artificial noise under certain conditions. Acoustic Vehicle Alert Systems (aka, AVAS) will need to be installed in new models of hybrid and electric cars introduced from today onward, and all existing models by July 2021. With an AVAS installed, vehicles will need to make a sound while travelling under 12 mph, or while reversing. Maybe, just put one of those reversing soundtracks that lorries have on them...... 'this hypercar is reversing...this hypercar is reversing'' 😆 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Stuart Monument 790 Posted July 22, 2019 Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 This developed this on the 414e years back. Lotus were ahead of the curve. Called halo sonic I think ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bibs 11,410 Posted July 22, 2019 Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 10 years ago! 2 Quote 88 Esprit NA, 89 Esprit Turbo SE, Evora, Evora S, Evora IPS, Evora S IPS, Evora S IPS SR, Evora 400, Elise S1, Elise S1 111s, Evora GT410 Sport Evora NA For forum issues, please contact the Moderators. I will aim to respond to emails/PM's Mon-Fri 9-6 GMT. Link to post Share on other sites
jonwat 435 Posted July 22, 2019 Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 Interesting read on Pistonheads. Quote Cheers, John W http://jonwatkins.co.uk Link to post Share on other sites
The Pits 4,410 Posted July 22, 2019 Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 Yes thought it was a very interesting and fair point about the limitations of battery tech dictating the specs and performance. I really hope that one day Lotus and car buyers will return to brilliant, small, light, more affordable sports cars but those are already available and sadly not selling very well. Making such a bold statement and with this fantasy poster car seems like the right way to re-invigorate interest in the Lotus brand at this time. It worked very well for McLaren when they introduced the P1. Until then they were the new kids on the block in the supercar game. Gate crashing the hypercar party was a smart move. Ferrari and Porsche were doing their usual once a decade hypercar thing and all of a sudden there was this 'Holy Trinity', every car mag and video had to compare all 3. Cars were soon trading over list and McLaren became a part of the supercar/hypercar establishment overnight. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gold FFM jep 968 Posted July 22, 2019 Gold FFM Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 Lotus on the charge. Just the jump-start they needed. Fingers crossed for the future; exciting times. There appears to be some genuine joined up-thinking and the cash to back it up. Justin Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gold FFM C8RKH 6,427 Posted July 22, 2019 Gold FFM Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 1 hour ago, jonwat said: Interesting read on Pistonheads. I quite enjoyed reading it, it was balanced and not bashing, and I agreed with the sentiments re a lightweight, affordable, electric sports car. Hopefully, the Evija is a stepping stone to this. Quote Alcohol. Sex. Tobacco. Drugs. Chocolate. Meh! NOTHING in this world is as addictive as an Evora +0. It's not for babies! The first guy to ride a bull for fun, was a true hero. The second man to follow him was truly nuts! Link to post Share on other sites
Likuid 125 Posted July 22, 2019 Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 (edited) Great article. I think the author will eventually get what they want from Lotus. As the Lotus CEO said, "The Evija is a statement of intent." I am sure Lotus talked about this a lot. I think starting at the top and whittling down is the better way to go. You create a poster car, you gain attention back to the brand, and you can trickle the tech and knowledge learned down to the new Esprit, Evora and Elise-like cars. Not just electrical knowledge and tech, but aerodynamics, interior, ICE, production methods, etc. I think if Lotus unveiled a new electric Elise. Even if it looked great, and great specs, etc. you just wouldn't get the attention from the mainstream media or even mainstream car media that Lotus wants. I mean, I have seen Lotus on CNN and Bloomberg recently. IMO there is no way they make it on such shows and publications with just a new Elise. I get it, I am not super patient either and would have rather saw something closer to my affordability window, but from a business stand point I think this is the right way to go. It makes me more excited to see what they can take from the Evija and put in more "affordable" models in the future. Hopefully we will see some combustion engines in the mix as well. Plus with the new mid engined C8 throwing a wrench into the sports car market it will be interesting to see what Lotus and other brands do to differentiate themselves. Mid-engined sports cars are about to get way less exotic once you see C8s on every corner. Time to start thinking outside the box. Edited July 22, 2019 by Likuid 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NedaSay 851 Posted July 22, 2019 Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 The guy from Vehicle Virgins' take on Evija, he was not at the launch but gives us his opinion on it so a lot of talk but only PR still shots of the car... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Popular Post Steve V8 1,311 Posted July 22, 2019 Popular Post Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 I tip my hat to Russell Carr and the design team at Lotus...has there been some kind of divine intervention from the tips of those Hethel pencils? With the Evija we have witnessed a huge leap forward in hypercar and automotive design, I haven't been this exited (and shocked) about a car since they unveiled the Lamborghini Countach 48 years ago. Well done Lotus/Geely you are now the benchmark. 4 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jeanvm 105 Posted July 23, 2019 Report Share Posted July 23, 2019 I was thinking the same thing, I compare this with the time as when the Miura and Countach were launched. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gold FFM Techyd 246 Posted July 23, 2019 Gold FFM Report Share Posted July 23, 2019 For me, kind of an odd article. Trying to re-make a point that's been tried before. Manufacturers build what people buy. The Toyota GT86 was a car they thought people would be want by the bucket load - with the emphasis on lower power and superb handling. It was critically acclaimed. It didn't sell that well. It wasn't what people wanted. Similar applied to the Honda CR-Z, which was a great little car again - a bold experiment by Honda, responding to a trend they thought was emerging but which wasn't. What the article does lend itself to though, perhaps without meaning to is that it shows EV is not the answer - but it is responding to the market. The engineering issues of EV haven't been overcome, shy of some wondrous invention or a change in the laws of physics. I'm not usually pessimistic but I think we're a few generations away from that sort of thing. By then of course, peoples expectations (and memories) of cars will have changed and so will the way these things are evaluated. Naturally, anything is possible in the future, right but I think all we'll really see is a jump in price points to a level of un-affordability for the masses combined with a new system of buying a car and then buy your batteries to go in it (probably lease your batteries). Oh and Mercedes product range will comprise more models than there are species left in the rain forest. Personally, I think hydrogen fuel cells were a much better proposition, despite its own challenges. That being said, its clear the Evija will be a huge accomplishment for Lotus, and a very capable vehicle with its technologies and concepts filtering down the range...just minus the affordable bit. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NedaSay 851 Posted July 23, 2019 Report Share Posted July 23, 2019 This conversation belongs more to the future of Lotus but thread I don't know if we'll see a price jump in our lifetime, I do think that the so called Vision 80 is fairly conservative in terms of price variation, it does include, a halo hypercar and did so from the get go, but for the rest it is pretty much Lotus' own and time delayed version of Porsche development from the early 90's with a few variation and much higher tempo. Porsche was able to stretch its brand thanks to part sharing components with its group brethren back then... Well a thorough look at Evija will show you that Lotus is gearing up to do just the same ; If you look at the Evija seats, well they are a volvo designed seat, not a Recaro, a Sparco or Sabelt but Volvo's own concept seat: Lotus made it look racier by exposing the carbon shell and playing with paddings, but it is very much the same seat that Volvo has been developing with for a while. I do think the same happened with the AC vents, they are pretty with that aluminium piece of trim but I could sware I have seen this very vent design on some Geely products. The Evija being a halo product it will enjoy maximum level of "bespokisation" but all future models, while retaining a good amount of Lotus design will incorporate a lot of Geely group DNA. The devil will be in the details but the Volvo Geely parts bin will be raided over and over till Lotus find the exact part they need. Some of it maybe on display for all to see and will be fettled with to look the part (engine, gearbox, seat, toggles...) but most of it will be away from prying eyes (AC/HVAC system, pumps and other angine/gearbox anciliaries, wiring loom...) and will be wholesale dropped into the lotus chassis to perform their job. So there would be economies of scale and marginal gains made that would make pusching the price up secondary. But back to Evija, I do think that the design team was at its best, and that the engineering team really pulled it out of their ... to engineer that marvel, Now CMC will have to deliver the chassis and the factory floor crew will have to hone their skills to assemble this beauty flowlessly, but that is the way things have always be done at Lotus assembling parts of various provenance to create something special and this time we can say truly special. Now I know Lotus has been working with Prodrive on their carbon fiber body parts but has the factory been upgraded so that they can now produce them in house? 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Popular Post RichardC 124 Posted July 23, 2019 Popular Post Report Share Posted July 23, 2019 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gold FFM Popular Post C8RKH 6,427 Posted July 23, 2019 Gold FFM Popular Post Report Share Posted July 23, 2019 Hydrogen fuel cells are coming. They will exploit the existing infrastructure (garages), peoples unconscious behaviour (i need fuel I go the garage), and protect the current business models. In Aberdeen, SGN has modified its existing gas network to take hydrogen from offshore to the bus depot to power emission clean buses. I've said this for a while but EV will be localised, hydrogen will be national. EVs are the Betamax. Hydrogen the VHS. 4 Quote Alcohol. Sex. Tobacco. Drugs. Chocolate. Meh! NOTHING in this world is as addictive as an Evora +0. It's not for babies! The first guy to ride a bull for fun, was a true hero. The second man to follow him was truly nuts! Link to post Share on other sites
swindon_alan 1,693 Posted July 23, 2019 Report Share Posted July 23, 2019 Musing. Will there also be a place for hydrogen ICE then? Also greenie friendly and I still get to have suck bang blow and an exhaust note. I find hydrogen fuel cells rather old school and slightly concerning. After all, Apollo 13's plumbing went pop big time... Quote I tempted fate...now my Esprit V8 IS in bits...(sob) Link to post Share on other sites
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