Gold FFM C8RKH 5,694 Posted June 3, 2019 Gold FFM Report Share Posted June 3, 2019 @Cypriot and @Vanya I actually think you are both coming from the same place and saying the same thing and I actually think i agree with you. To put it into context. If I had a S1/2/3 NA or Turbo Esprit I would not be in the least bit "bovvered" about the fact that an RS Megane or a Fiesta ST Mountune was quicker. If I had a DeTomaso Pantera, a Countach, a Diablo, a Miura or a Jalpa and even a 308/328GTB/S or a 348/355 I would not be in the slightest bit concerned that a Fiat Abarth 500 was a more practical and faster point to point car. A Jag XJ220, a 70's Vantage V12. A 60's GT40. Etc. Bring it on. Where's the nearest petrol station again? These cars for me are about the driving. The analogue feel. The effort and in some cases the sheer fear that driving them remotely fast would probably generate. The smell ( I am that guy who gets to the airport, parks next to the terminal and then gets giddy smelling the burnt aerofuel and hearing the roar of the jet engines on take off). The history. The Noise - oh my god the noise! These new electric hypercars just don't float my boat. They are just not for me. All silence and whine...... They don't currently have the theatre - the smells, sights and sounds to titillate my senses and stand my hairs on edge. So, whilst I can appreciate their technical excellence. Marvel at their acceleration and speed. They'll remain, probably for the rest of my life, just a Prius with a fancy bodykit. A Tamiya RC model car scaled up to 1:1. They just don't excite. I'm happy being a neanderthal. My garage is my cave. My analogue cars are my kills from the hunt. I'm also happy for those out there who want their sterile quiet environments and to marvel in the numbers - as long as they're happy then what the harm. It is just not for me. And they can of course balance out my carbon footprint for me :) 1 1 Quote Alcohol. Sex. Tobacco. Drugs. Chocolate. Meh! NOTHING in this world is as addictive as an Evora +0. It's not for babies! The first guy to ride a bull for fun, was a true hero. The second man to follow him was truly nuts! Link to post Share on other sites
Popular Post Vanya 560 Posted June 3, 2019 Popular Post Report Share Posted June 3, 2019 3 hours ago, NedaSay said: I expect this car to be the most documented Lotus launch ever. if Pistonheads has seen the car in earlier phase of development, it is safe to assume that one or two of the established big player (Evo, Car, Road and Track...) have had full access to the car story and I wouldn't be surprised if the car gets a full blown documentary à la Discovery Channel Megafactories. I expect a few of the youtubers (Carfection...) to have be given access to the clay model in the studio already. This car is a statement of intent so they will give the biggest splash they can muster and this time the marketing and PR team should be up to the task. I'm still expecting it to be compared to a base Cayman. 2 1 Quote Vanya Stanisavljevic '91 Esprit SE | '97 XK8 Link to post Share on other sites
NedaSay 809 Posted June 3, 2019 Report Share Posted June 3, 2019 They will be roughly the same size won't they ...sigh... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PAR 260 Posted June 3, 2019 Report Share Posted June 3, 2019 (edited) 7 hours ago, Cypriot said: , the only real party piece for cars like this is the performance figures. Which become obsolete overnight. That is the thing about electric cars like this, the performance figures don’t relly become obsolete quickly because electricity allows you so much output that the bit that becomes obsolete is the battery capacity/autonomy which would not really be relevant for a car like this. I am sure that Lotus went with the all electric because it was the simplest way to ensure a care that does 0-60 in sub 2 seconds depending on tires. The question will be all in the package, can they make the car light, can they make it turn like nothing else and most important how desirable would they look from the outside. I hope they design it in a way where people can swap batteries as battery technology improves to make it even better. If kids want to get the poster this will be a success and will create the clients of the future. The real issue of lotus is there there aren’t enough clients (even if many of us own more than one!!!) for its sustainability so anything that widen the pool has to be good. Edited June 3, 2019 by PAR Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Simon Bateman 109 Posted June 4, 2019 Report Share Posted June 4, 2019 12 hours ago, Vanya said: I'm still expecting it to be compared to a base Cayman. I like that......... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cypriot 92 Posted June 4, 2019 Report Share Posted June 4, 2019 12 hours ago, PAR said: That is the thing about electric cars like this, the performance figures don’t relly become obsolete quickly because electricity allows you so much output that the bit that becomes obsolete is the battery capacity/autonomy which would not really be relevant for a car like this. I suppose I wasn't explaining myself properly. You are absolutely correct with this statement. What I was trying to say is that with electric powertrains, they are all the same, except in their performance. Whereas with an internal combustion engine you have all manner of ways of proceeding. Turbos, NA, supercharged, hybrid, V engines, straight, flat, manual/automatic. Each one gives you different characteristics, and this is the thing that doesn't become obsolete. In contrast, electric cars can only vary in the size of battery. The delivery of that power is identical from the most humble of electric cars all the way up to a Rimac - just in varying degrees of intensity. And it is the intensity that becomes obsolete extremely quickly due to advancements in batter tech. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LotusLeftLotusRight 1,029 Posted June 4, 2019 Report Share Posted June 4, 2019 We should probably re-name this new breed of electric vehicle as HYPErcars. They will have ridiculous stats and none of us on here will ever own one. As for the Type 130, do we assume it's a Lotus body on that Williams chassis / powetrain? I hope they've remembered to install an emergency release over-ride cable for that motorized electric socket cover... I also think that the rumoured 7 figure price is looking extremely optimistic, considering that the recently announced Ferrari SF90 Stradale with 1000bhp V8 twin turbo hybrid power s expected to retail at less than half of that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gold FFM C8RKH 5,694 Posted June 4, 2019 Gold FFM Report Share Posted June 4, 2019 47 minutes ago, LotusLeftLotusRight said: I also think that the rumoured 7 figure price is looking extremely optimistic, considering that the recently announced Ferrari SF90 Stradale with 1000bhp V8 twin turbo hybrid power s expected to retail at less than half of that. Yeah, but compared to Ferrari's a Lotus is much rarer. :) Quote Alcohol. Sex. Tobacco. Drugs. Chocolate. Meh! NOTHING in this world is as addictive as an Evora +0. It's not for babies! The first guy to ride a bull for fun, was a true hero. The second man to follow him was truly nuts! Link to post Share on other sites
NedaSay 809 Posted June 4, 2019 Report Share Posted June 4, 2019 6 hours ago, LotusLeftLotusRight said: We should probably re-name this new breed of electric vehicle as HYPErcars. They will have ridiculous stats and none of us on here will ever own one. As for the Type 130, do we assume it's a Lotus body on that Williams chassis / powetrain? I hope they've remembered to install an emergency release over-ride cable for that motorized electric socket cover... I also think that the rumoured 7 figure price is looking extremely optimistic, considering that the recently announced Ferrari SF90 Stradale with 1000bhp V8 twin turbo hybrid power s expected to retail at less than half of that. I think it is wrong to compare the upcoming SF90 to the Type 130, it will be done off course but they are not in the same class. the SF90 is clearly an evolved F8 tributo aluminium chassis with e-awd. It is the next gen of Ferrari production supercars, a course correction from Ferrari to show a certain company in Woking and elsewhere that they are still the Daddy. If you have the right amount of money and Ferrari agrees with your credentials anybody will be able to buy it, if not you still have the pour people version, the F8 Tributo which is the non-hybrid version with all the good last gen stuff. Meanwhile the Type 130 will get everything besposke. The way the car has been described, it is a Lotus carbon chassis and not the Williams skate, the Williams power unit is stored behind the passenger according to Carr https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a27148491/lotus-type-130-electric-hypercar-confirmed/ The car I would compare the Type 130 have been mentioned before and they belong to the hypercar category : Aston Martin Valkyrie, maybe but not really as this will I guess be the last analog hypercar, Pininfarina Baptista, Rimac C2 are more the true competition but they are far from being household names. Porsche must be up to something, they are too quiet and the 918 successor should be around the corner. As for Lotus, they are pushing the envelop, where they can, they are going carbon chassis on a production car, they are going electric because this is where their overarching group is going. and as Feng said Lotus is now the Vanguard of Geely Group https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/lotus-plots-expansion-include-more-sports-cars-and-suv ps: if Just like Valkyrie for Aston Martin Type 130 will signal the new design and engineering direction Lotus is going, the next sport car will likely come hybrid considering they want it to be a daily driver hybrid is for the time being where tech takes us for the next 5-10years. if it is a V6 hybrid it may be ballistic, with BHP numbers starting where Lotus currently stops. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Popular Post LotusDan 38 Posted June 4, 2019 Popular Post Report Share Posted June 4, 2019 What better way for Lotus to demonstrate that they are embracing the latest technology and looking forward to the future than by infusing their ethos with an all-electric hypercar? In some ways the ultimate show of engineering and design prowess. A statement car to put Lotus back in the limelight to help launch the next generation of the 'affordable' sports cars. I must admit I'm not as up to speed on the details as you guys are but needless to say looking forward to seeing it later this month. 6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scotty435 883 Posted June 4, 2019 Report Share Posted June 4, 2019 Well said Dan, I think we all have complained about Lotus wrong doings over the last few years some a lot more than others, sadly this iconic brand as just become some kind of punching bag even in its own community, it’s great to read a positive comment and totally agree with everything you have said and like you can not wait for the 16th, I truly believe this will be one of the most iconic days in Lotus history. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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NedaSay 809 Posted June 5, 2019 Report Share Posted June 5, 2019 (edited) What is that? Never mind I found the source article: https://www.carscoops.com/2019/05/lotus-promises-type-130-electric-hypercar-will-be-mind-blowing/ Carscoop rendering Edited June 5, 2019 by NedaSay 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LotusDan 38 Posted June 5, 2019 Report Share Posted June 5, 2019 It's a bit disingenuous of that site to show renders of a car, and not state them for what they are. People are going to look at these and believe that's what it looks like Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hedgerley 433 Posted June 5, 2019 Report Share Posted June 5, 2019 Probably got it from here. https://carbuzz.com/news/we-hope-the-new-lotus-hypercar-looks-like-this Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mdavies 71 Posted June 6, 2019 Report Share Posted June 6, 2019 And for those - including me - who prefer a traditional approach. Something worth buying lottery tickets for. https://www.pistonheads.com/news/ph-britishcars/gordon-murray-automotive-previews-f1-successor/40311?utm_medium=EMAIL&utm_campaign=Enews Bulletin&utm_content=PHDS - ENews Bulletin (06.06.2019)::Main_3_2_1&utm_source=20190606 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bravo73 1,207 Posted June 6, 2019 Report Share Posted June 6, 2019 Hmmm. That is the automotive equivalent to vapourware. Just like all recent Gordon Murray cars have been... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mdavies 71 Posted June 6, 2019 Report Share Posted June 6, 2019 Vapourware - a somewhat pejorative term! A concept at this stage indeed, as all such projects start from, but with some interesting other parties named, and specifics. A Cosworth 4.0-litre NA V12, revving to 12,100rpm and making 650hp. Xtrac-developed six-speed manual. Collaboration with a F1 team. A wind tunnel developed 400mm ground effect fan. Ambitious perhaps, but the F1 happened. Until fully developed versions are in the hands of ordinary purchasers, all new models are to some degree unrealised - recall Bahar’s motor show clays? The Type 130 remains so at this time. And when it is? A largely unusable technical extravagance - IMO of course! (On another thread I estimated the limited battery life if the power was actually used meaningfully.) So I know where my £2m will not be heading ....... er.....would not. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NedaSay 809 Posted June 6, 2019 Report Share Posted June 6, 2019 Which f1 team is Murray collaborating with this time? I can't believe it's McLaren for some reason. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bravo73 1,207 Posted June 7, 2019 Report Share Posted June 7, 2019 10 hours ago, mdavies said: a somewhat pejorative term! Absolutely, it is! Murray has announced plenty of projects over the past few years (revolutionary city car, new light sports car, V8 sports car, hypercar etc etc) but none of them have actually come to fruition. Even the new TVR is on the rocks, apparently. So, absolutely this car is yet more ‘vapourware’. I’ll believe when I see it (in the metal) etc etc Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mdavies 71 Posted June 8, 2019 Report Share Posted June 8, 2019 (edited) No arguing with the facts you state, Jonny. My point is the comparison of the two concepts. If your forecast proves correct perhaps I should be pleased: no car will sort of cancel out no lottery win! Edited June 8, 2019 by mdavies Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PascalM 42 Posted June 12, 2019 Report Share Posted June 12, 2019 Mailing from Goodwood Festival of Speed giving an overview of what we can expect. Lotus is partner and following was mentioned: The all‑electric halo hypercar Catch a glimpse of Lotus' bold and exciting future which begins with the astonishing Type 130 electric hypercar. It will leave you in no doubt that the pioneering spirit of innovation which created the Type 25 is alive and well at Hethel. With the unveiling scheduled in London 16 July, what glimpse will we be seeing a week earlier... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bibs 10,525 Posted June 12, 2019 Report Share Posted June 12, 2019 TLF will be at both events, I'll add pics to this thread, our homepage and facebook/insta feeds. 1 Quote 88 Esprit NA, 89 Esprit Turbo SE, Evora, Evora S, Evora IPS, Evora S IPS, Evora S IPS SR, Evora 400, Elise S1, Elise S1 111s, Evora GT410 Sport Evora NA For forum issues, please contact the Moderators. I will aim to respond to emails/PM's Mon-Fri 9-6 GMT. Link to post Share on other sites
PascalM 42 Posted June 12, 2019 Report Share Posted June 12, 2019 Great Bibs. I’ll be there on Saturday. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bravo73 1,207 Posted June 12, 2019 Report Share Posted June 12, 2019 Oh, I thought that the FoS showing was meant to be a secret, ‘behind closed doors’ affair. I guess not if they are emailing people about it... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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