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Hi everyone, I just have a few general questions if thats ok, I hopefully will be in a position to acquire a lotus at some point in the future but am just wondering about a few things so I know what I'm looking for and what is possible when the time comes.
 
1.  I'm am interested in either a exige s 2006-2011 model or a elise series 2, the problem is that that with the exige s they only come in a coupe and I am looking for a convertible, from researching online it seems that it is possible that modifications can be made so that the roof can be removed easier (I've seen videos where people remove the roof but it seems you have to remove lots a screws so it wouldn't be practical to have to keep doing that everytime  you want the roof off then having to go through putting the screws back in to reattach to roof) Would making the modification effect the performance and or potentially the resale value of an exige s? would it be possible to make the alteration to an exige s so the hardtop roof can be removed as easily as an elise and also would there be a soft top that is compatible with an exige s?  
 
The other alternative is to get a elise series 2 instead and then source the body kit that would come as standard with the exige s as in the front splitters and the spoiler, (I can't figure out if there are side skirts on them as standard, presumably having them on would be a nightmare with regards to getting stone chips on them etc) the only thing with doing it that way is that the parts seem very expensive so it would come down to how much it would all be to source the parts and fit them etc, I'm not sure if this is something that would be possible as my knowledge is extremely limited but I just have an idea of what I want it to look like, would putting a body kit on an elise effect it's performance and potentially decrease it's value when it came to selling it on?
 
2. with regards to engine size I would ideally like a 1.6 but my understanding is that the only modern model that comes with a 1.6 engine is the club racer? if that it the case then I would go up to a 1.8 engine but would only want the most basic engine not supercharged or anything like that as would want to keep costs as low as possible with regards to tax and insurance.
 
Can't think of any other questions at this point, if any of you knowledgeable people on here could possibly answer any of the above that would be most appreciated so at least I will have an idea of what is possible and what is not possible for when I am in a position to move ahead and look closely into buying one of the above models.
 
From what I can gather the most modern version of the series 2 elise was made after 2010? (I may have this wrong as I've been reading so much about different models/specs that I think I might have confused myself) and they have larger headlights and do look quite different to the earlier elise series 2 models? as you can tell from everything above I'm not too knowledgeable at all but kind of think I know what I'm looking for but it depends if it is all possible and of course comes down to cost. My budget will be 15k-20k. Am based in the uk. Also does anyone know where the largest stockist of lotus cars is in the south of england/London area? only asking as some of the lotus dealers you can only view by appointment only but at this stage not looking for anything too formal, just wanted to generally look at the different models up close. 
 
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Paul,   what Neil says is spot on mate, you need to narrow your search then go and have a look, once you got that nailed there are plenty of meets and people on here will help and personally

Yes @pete and while you're there ask them where the engine was in the Elite and Eclat 😂

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First up you should take a look at Pistonheads classifieds to see what your budget will buy. The cheapest available S2 Exige is £23k and they're very desirable so I doubt there's much movement on price, and to be fair, they're only going up in value.

The hardtop on the Exige is a faff to remove so it's not something you're going to be doing regularly, but any Elise (short tail) soft top will fit with the necessary fittings added - any good specialist can sort this for you. Your problem will be finding a decent sot top roof at a reasonable price.

Your budget fits much better with an S2 Elise with a range of engine options from Rover K-Series (120hp & 156hp) to Toyota (134hp & 189hp). The S3 (it was never officially called that) face lift was launched in 2010 and got another face lift in 2018.

You could buy an early S2 Elise and get the panels to make an Exige look-a-like, but you'd spend a fortune and probably devalue what you bought! Unless you can stretch your budget to £25k I'd forget the Exige option, or keep saving if you have your heart set on one.

It would be a good idea to keep your eye on the Events pages on here to see if there are any gatherings in an area near you. That's often the best way to see a decent range of cars in one place. Owners are mostly friendly :) Dealers only tend to stock the newer stuff. Take a look at Will Blackham's ads on Pistonheads, he's based near London and is very reputable. He also has a number of cars within your budget.

 

 

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Hi, ok thanks for your detailed response, so it seems like my best option within my budget is a S2 elise which is produced after 2010 and then it will just be a matter of sourcing front splitters and a spoiler to get it looking how I would like it to, I was going to go to one of the 2 official dealers that are reasonably local to me but I'm guessing when I do that I'm automatically paying well over the odds but I suppose you sort of pay that extra for the fact that you are buying from a official lotus dealer, really wouldn't buy privately when laying out the sort of money that I will be as am ripe to be had over as I know less than nothing about lotus's and in fact less than nothing about cars in general.

When it comes to adding splitters, spoilers etc it does seem from what Iv'e looked up that the cost seems shockingly high for the parts and for them to be fitted but maybe I'm underestimating what they are made of or the work that goes into fitting them.

 

The person you refer to who is reputable in London, would he be able to help source the extra parts that I'm looking for and sort out fitting them etc or would I have to sort all of that myself? everything seems a bit much to deal with in a sense but I'm just trying to learn the basics at this point with regards to modifications, models etc. 

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Paul,

 

what Neil says is spot on mate, you need to narrow your search then go and have a look, once you got that nailed there are plenty of meets and people on here will help and personally I wouldn’t worry to much about getting the cosmetics done, once you drive it you might think other upgrades are more important. 

Only properly modified cars get a return and they tend to be the well known ones. I can think of a good few I would buy tomorrow (if I had the money) but original well maintained will always win the day IMHO. 

Saying that exhausts, tyre, suspension , brakes are all good if known.

i am going to shut up now as have had 2 pints of Guinness and I am on my own in Ireland so maybe I just want someone to talk to 😂

Dan E 

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If you are looking for a car 2010 and later you will need to up your budget. 

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As Pete says, a 2010 onwards car will very over your budget. You're probably looking at 2004 - 2006 Elise. Search for Elise S2 on Pistonheads classifieds and you'll find Will's details on there. These two for example:

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/lotus/elise-s2/2006-lotus-elise-s2-111r--storm-titanium--full-history--excellent-condition/9721573

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/lotus/elise-s2/2004my-lotus-elise-s2-111s--ardent-red--1-previous-owner--low-mileage--full-history--fantastic-condition/9718502

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Ok thanks everyone, very helpful, obviously many on here seem to hold this dealer in high regard so in time he seems someone who I should get in touch with, with regards to MOT and servicing once you own the car is is best then to go to a official lotus dealer so that your service history looks better when it comes to selling the car on?

Sorry one other thing, I can't really tell the difference between those 2004 and 2006 model elises that the dealer has for sale and the elises that were made after 2010, is there a major difference apart from the from headlights are bigger on the ones that were made after 2010? I mean purely from an aesthetic perspective, as I'm presuming the 2010 onwards version will have different things maniacally and performance wise.  

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Ok thanks , I'm sure someone here will be able to recommend a decent specialist for services if and when the time comes. 

I like the following colour of this exige but am wondering if any other models were produced in the shade of yellow? the yellow that I see on elises is too bright but the one on the following exige stands out enough but isn't too bright:

On the exige below you can see the front splitters and the spoiler, are there skirts added on the side? or are they called side splitters or is there nothing on the sides extra? Thanks

 

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That is a much later exige and colour is only on later cars. Might be useful if we knew what area you are in

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That's ok. We won't judge you until we meet you.... 🤣😂🤣😂😅

I'm from Liverpool originally and haven't stolen anyone's wheels.....yet!

Also that last picture was of a V6 Exige. A totally different proposition to the earlier ones.

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The following lotus, if everything that the seller is saying is correct then seems like a fairly decent price? admittedly I don't understand most of the content of the advert apart from it is very shiny, that can not be denied but as for the rest of it it's like reading a different language:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Lotus-Elise-S2-1-8L-16v/123771088438?hash=item1cd154ee36:g:gs4AAOSwz39c3qaV

 

 

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Is it correct that after 2010 the S2 elise came with a Toyota engine instead of whatever one it came with from 2001-2009? 

Also is there much difference aesthetically between the S2 elises that were produced 2001-2009 and the ones that were produced 2010 onwards?

(I understand that they never officially named any 'series  3' in elise just that some things were different in the post 2010 ones compared to the pre 2010 ones, I just wondered if the changes were mainly interior/performance as opposed the aesthetic?)

Any answers to the above would be very much appreciated. 

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Toyota engine first appeared in the Elise in 2004. At that time it came with a base Rover K series (122hp), Rover K series VVC (156hp) and Toyota (189hp) options. When the Rover K series ceased to be available it was replaced with a 134hp Toyota engine, so by late 2000’s you had 134, 189 & 220 (Supercharged) Toyota engines.

The 2010  changes were largely cosmetic. I think the 189hp engine was dropped at that point as Toyota stopped making it along with the 134hp engine, due to emissions. They were replaced by two new Toyota engines, a 1.6 and a 1.8 Supercharged.

The styling change from S2 to S3 is noticeable (new front and rear end) but it wasn’t a radical change.

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Ok thanks, think I should look up pre 2010 images and post 2010 images to compare to see how noticeable the difference is in design, looks like I will go for one at least after 2004 as have read that toyota engines are very reliable. Thanks 

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Don't get too concerned with mileage on a lotus. Sometimes low mileage is not ideal,used and regular servicing is what you want. 

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I think I quite fancy the 1.6L club racer, got an insurance quote on one that came out much less than I was expecting, lowest £400 then the next quote after that jumped up to £757! wasn't sure on the question if it had an immobiliser or tracker, am presuming that they come with an immobiliser as standard but not a tracker as standard, it seems that the club racer is the  budget choice in a sense as they are good on mpg for petrol and don't seem too bad on insurance or tax and as they were first produced in 2011 (I believe?) they are the same shape as post 2010 elises?

Not sure how many were produced or for how long, guessing if not many then they might not come up as often as some other models, when they do come up they seem to be around 22-23k which is over what my budget currently is at this point so it looks like I'm going to have to do a bit more saving!   

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