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Hi all, 

After a long decision making process I've finally decided that I'm going to purchase a new Elise! 

I can just about afford the 220 sport, though I wanted to know if it's worth stretching to (or maybe considering) a used 250 cup?

I can't seem to find anywhere what the actual differences are between the two cars (engine wise)

What changes between the two models to give the extra power, and most importantly - does the cup have a higher redline? Max power is at 7200 according to lotus compared to 6800 for the sport 220. I do love a high redline so this is the main point of interest for me! 

 

Please let me know if you have any info on this - thanks!

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Have you read the launch press releases? They may answer some of your questions...

https://www.thelotusforums.com/latest-news/lotus-cars-news/lotus-announces-new-elise-sport-and-elise-sport-220/

https://www.thelotusforums.com/latest-news/lotus-cars-news/elise-cup-250-announced-lotus/

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Thanks for the links Bibs! 

I've read through them, and the only performance add-on it mentions for the cup 250 is a charge cooler, though the 220 also has one now. 

Maybe it would just be easier to ask elise 220 owners what their redline is? Is it 7200?

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4 hours ago, flukey said:

Thanks for the links Bibs! 

I've read through them, and the only performance add-on it mentions for the cup 250 is a charge cooler, though the 220 also has one now. 

Maybe it would just be easier to ask elise 220 owners what their redline is? Is it 7200?

The 220 has smaller injectors, 250 has the same injectors as the 260.

Also, it uses a smaller SC pulley. The 250 has the potential for slightly higher HP outputs. Exhaust / ECU can get you close to 300 hp.

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40 minutes ago, Petrolgeneration said:

The 220 has smaller injectors, 250 has the same injectors as the 260.

Also, it uses a smaller SC pulley. The 250 has the potential for slightly higher HP outputs. Exhaust / ECU can get you close to 300 hp.

Interesting, so it's not just a simple re-map. I guess it is worth the price premium then! This info is hard to find!

Like i said before, if you have any info on the red-lines of the two cars I'd be very interested 🙂

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It's not worth the premium from a performance perspective. they are about the same. 

If you like all the bits (like i do) that you get on a cup then you have to decide what they are worth to you. You won't win at track days in a cup over a 220 though. 

I'd take the 220 in your position, because the experience of buying new is really special (and i attach a value to that). 

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33 minutes ago, JG220 said:

It's not worth the premium from a performance perspective. they are about the same. 

If you like all the bits (like i do) that you get on a cup then you have to decide what they are worth to you. You won't win at track days in a cup over a 220 though. 

I'd take the 220 in your position, because the experience of buying new is really special (and i attach a value to that). 

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5 hours ago, JG220 said:

It's not worth the premium from a performance perspective. they are about the same. 

If you like all the bits (like i do) that you get on a cup then you have to decide what they are worth to you. You won't win at track days in a cup over a 220 though. 

I'd take the 220 in your position, because the experience of buying new is really special (and i attach a value to that). 

 

Thank you for this insight, honestly I think part of the reason I didn't fall in love with my current car (Audi TT) is because it was a stock car that I made a few compromises on when buying it because it was a good deal. For sure I think having a very personal car hand built just for you is part of what attracts me to Lotus, despite some of the 'drawbacks'. I also think that making small modifications to your car keeps it feeling special and you just can't do that with something like an audi (easily at least). At first this attracted me to MX-5's because of their aftermarket scene and then I was like "hey if I can live with an MX-5 as a daily I can live with an elise too - better do it while you're young!" haha. 

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I think buying a new factory ordered Lotus is a bit special. If you go that route get your dealer to arrange a factory visit which is well worth while.

Choice between a new 220 or a used 250, I'd go for the new 220 as you can spec it as you want it, and as James mentions above there isn't a world of difference between the two unless you particularly like the more aggressive look of the 250.

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Gents, I'm looking for a little advice if possible! I am turning 40 end of June and looking at ordering a new Elise 220 however factory builds are now 8/10 weeks away and nothing out there with the spec I want so I either get the car I want early August or there is a Cup available and it's nearly spot on with the spec i want.... question is will i look like a boy racer/mid life crisis in the cup? Any advice would be greatly appreciated guys

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Well over 50 here and bought a Cup. Go for it you will not be disappointed and if you get a Sport 220 and a Cup goes the other way you will always think "I should have bought a Cup".

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I had a 250 Cup in my late 50s a few years ago never felt like a boy racer and if you are buying the latest generation Cup it’s not so much in your face like the gen 1 which my car was. The new Cups look great to me and would say go for it you only live once.

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31 minutes ago, Peapod said:

Well over 50 here and bought a Cup. Go for it you will not be disappointed and if you get a Sport 220 and a Cup goes the other way you will always think "I should have bought a Cup".

 

You are spot on I would be gutted! Thanks for the reply, they do look amazing!

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26 minutes ago, scotty435 said:

I had a 250 Cup in my late 50s a few years ago never felt like a boy racer and if you are buying the latest generation Cup it’s not so much in your face like the gen 1 which my car was. The new Cups look great to me and would say go for it you only live once.

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Wise words Scotty, thanks for the advice 😀 just need to get the dealer to open up the showroom so I can have a proper look at it in the flesh..  Drove the 220 last week so I'm sure the cup will drive similar as I cant test drive this particular car.  

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I had the same dilemma late last year although I was going from a S2111s. As above nothing much in it performance wise and the cups aero is subjective. I had set myself a budget and I was going to spend that regardless. It came down to a 220 with lots of extras and carbon, or a cup with not so much in the way of extras and no carbon at all. I went with the cup in the end that was my choice but it’s a very fine line.

All this started last October, the sodding thing is currently locked inside Hethel waiting for the world to start turning again, desperate to get my hands on it before the end of Summer and currently looking for “CV19LOT” number plate🤣

It exists

https://dvlaregistrations.dvla.gov.uk/buy.html?plate=CV19 LOT&price=399

 

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😂😂 good luck with the reg! I was told by a dealer principle on friday that the factory opened up again last tuesday pal so hopefully it wont be to long till you are enjoying some great roads in the sun 🤞 out of interest what colour did you go for? 

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