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16 minutes ago, phrankeee said:

Haha, thanks Jason, I just been to the showroom around noon to see it in flesh finally! So excited!

Here are some pics I took, and I realized that they have given me the carbon side scoops which was not on the original spec (which is great), but the front air intake blade is black plastic (which I thought should be CF?), strange...

 

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Wow! That looks amazing Frank! So happy for you! In that colour it looks both classy and also quite sinister, but the contrast with the metallic grey pain and carbon fibre is really effective.

I wasn't aware that the air curtains were available as carbon anyway? Are they on the 430? But...you have carbon side pods! arghh! Jealous! They look a million times better than the standard ones. I would love to add them at some point but they're expensive i think...

So surely the pre delivery check will be done quickly and you'll be driving away soon?

Yes, those mirrors do look very nice. Although I wonder how much visibility they give? You can see out of the back in these but vision is restricted, so you tend to rely on the wing mirrors a bit more than other cars I find.

Can't wait to hear your first impressions! Enjoy!

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22 hours ago, Exigo said:

Yeah, the vents add a certain seriousness but agree I’m not about to get the dremel out! The best bit is the wing I think and there is some black detailing that kind of hooks up the engine cover to the roof. I had a feel of the lip and agree that would seem to be good protection. Sam, confirm the 420 lip has nothing?

I am keen to track it but not until I have got comfortable. I’ve done several track days in 964s but am certainly no ace. Most important is being insured, accepting you are not about to be discovered and launched into F1, and getting professional instruction. 
I’m keen to join the club and the Feb run sounds great. What dates?

I too bought blind but made it conditional on a test drive which I got the shortest of in the black 390. I was lined up for a longer one but it got sold. The only bit I didn’t like was finding knee room but I guess I’ll find a work around.

The mirrors look brilliant. Starting the slippery slope early!

I’m working tomorrow but will keep in touch via Chris and see if there’s an opportunity to see your car Frank. 

Correct, 420 is the same front splitter as 430 (i think) but no protection on it. Mine is wrapped in ppf to help with stone chips but that's not going to help if you kerb it obviously... Ground clearance is actually very good so it's not really a major issue, but one of those things were a rubber lip would just give you that much more confidence with speed bumps etc. It looks cool too because it makes it deeper too. Ironically according to the 430Cup register thread on here many 430 guys remove them because the fixing aren't the best and they start to droop. 

CLNZ Forgotten Highway weekend is 18-22 February 2022, When is you car due? around the same time?

If you tracked the 964 Turbo (or probably any 964) then you obviously know how to drive a car with respect and caution (Lol) so you would be fine I'm sure.

How tall are you Jason? These are small tight cars inside, but usually ok solo. Plenty of guys 6"2-6"3 seem to fit, but everyone is different obviously. With a passenger it is comprised no question. I'm sure you'll find a good fit anyway.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Sam Downey said:

Wow! That looks amazing Frank! So happy for you! In that colour it looks both classy and also quite sinister, but the contrast with the metallic grey pain and carbon fibre is really effective.

I wasn't aware that the air curtains were available as carbon anyway? Are they on the 430? But...you have carbon side pods! arghh! Jealous! They look a million times better than the standard ones. I would love to add them at some point but they're expensive i think...

So surely the pre delivery check will be done quickly and you'll be driving away soon?

Yes, those mirrors do look very nice. Although I wonder how much visibility they give? You can see out of the back in these but vision is restricted, so you tend to rely on the wing mirrors a bit more than other cars I find.

Can't wait to hear your first impressions! Enjoy!

Thanks Sam, hopefully I should be able to pick it up by Friday according to Chris.

Ya I really like the grey, I am not much of a color person... I would spec a black one if given the choice, so I am happy at least Chris had a grey one. The strange thing is that the stiching inside is a light green color (this was not on the spec sheet either)... Luckily all the plastic surrounds are in black, otherwise I would go nuts...

I checked the air curtains on the 430 are carbon, I always thought they are carbon on the 420 too from some of the web photos? Well it's not that important anyways😂

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13 hours ago, Sam Downey said:

Correct, 420 is the same front splitter as 430 (i think) but no protection on it. Mine is wrapped in ppf to help with stone chips but that's not going to help if you kerb it obviously... Ground clearance is actually very good so it's not really a major issue, but one of those things were a rubber lip would just give you that much more confidence with speed bumps etc. It looks cool too because it makes it deeper too. Ironically according to the 430Cup register thread on here many 430 guys remove them because the fixing aren't the best and they start to droop. 

CLNZ Forgotten Highway weekend is 18-22 February 2022, When is you car due? around the same time?

If you tracked the 964 Turbo (or probably any 964) then you obviously know how to drive a car with respect and caution (Lol) so you would be fine I'm sure.

How tall are you Jason? These are small tight cars inside, but usually ok solo. Plenty of guys 6"2-6"3 seem to fit, but everyone is different obviously. With a passenger it is comprised no question. I'm sure you'll find a good fit anyway.

 

 

Will have to check those dates against other commitments but Chris thinks end of Jan early Feb (which is like forever away) for my delivery so might work if I can swing it with work. 
Im 6’ but not hugely long in the back so thinking it’ll be fine. 

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15 hours ago, phrankeee said:

Thanks Sam, hopefully I should be able to pick it up by Friday according to Chris.

Ya I really like the grey, I am not much of a color person... I would spec a black one if given the choice, so I am happy at least Chris had a grey one. The strange thing is that the stiching inside is a light green color (this was not on the spec sheet either)... Luckily all the plastic surrounds are in black, otherwise I would go nuts...

I checked the air curtains on the 430 are carbon, I always thought they are carbon on the 420 too from some of the web photos? Well it's not that important anyways😂

Ok, well excited for you for Friday then!

The air curtains are really not very noticeable on the car (I don't know what their purpose is? routing some air to the brakes or something?) but their main purpose seems to be collecting stones and gravel from our lovely roads... Plastic might be a better bet than carbon for that reason anyway. 

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Hi, guys, I was able to take the 420 home today! I only did about 70km today, so still trying to get familiar with the car, some first impressions:

1. The glue smell inside the cabin is really bad... 😆

2. The ride is super firm, but I suspect it could be the tyre pressure being too high, I will check it tomorrow.

3. The abundance of torque is pretty amazing, I get what Sam was saying, it should be pretty crazy once we can really stomp on the gas and let it go pass 4000rpm.

4. There's not much sound below 4000rpm... it's a shame that they deleted that exhaust valve switch... 

5. Getting in and out is really a mission... this is my first Lotus, so hopefully I will get better at it over time.

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13 hours ago, phrankeee said:

Hi, guys, I was able to take the 420 home today! I only did about 70km today, so still trying to get familiar with the car, some first impressions:

1. The glue smell inside the cabin is really bad... 😆

2. The ride is super firm, but I suspect it could be the tyre pressure being too high, I will check it tomorrow.

3. The abundance of torque is pretty amazing, I get what Sam was saying, it should be pretty crazy once we can really stomp on the gas and let it go pass 4000rpm.

4. There's not much sound below 4000rpm... it's a shame that they deleted that exhaust valve switch... 

5. Getting in and out is really a mission... this is my first Lotus, so hopefully I will get better at it over time.

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Congratulations again Frank.  Looks amazing!  Look forward to seeing it in the flesh.  

I'm pleased to hear it isn't loud at sedate revs; it might just be acceptable to the misses and allow me to keep my neighbourhood friends.  I think the suspension has various hardness settings so if the pressures are right you may be able to dial in some more comfort.

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15 hours ago, phrankeee said:

Hi, guys, I was able to take the 420 home today! I only did about 70km today, so still trying to get familiar with the car, some first impressions:

1. The glue smell inside the cabin is really bad... 😆

2. The ride is super firm, but I suspect it could be the tyre pressure being too high, I will check it tomorrow.

3. The abundance of torque is pretty amazing, I get what Sam was saying, it should be pretty crazy once we can really stomp on the gas and let it go pass 4000rpm.

4. There's not much sound below 4000rpm... it's a shame that they deleted that exhaust valve switch... 

5. Getting in and out is really a mission... this is my first Lotus, so hopefully I will get better at it over time.

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Congrats Frank! Looks amazing in that colour too. Love it!

 

1. The glue smell inside the cabin is really bad... 😆

Huh?! Really? Maybe I am used to Lotus' aluminium bonding glue (in fact I would be I guess) but I've never noticed that. 

2. The ride is super firm, but I suspect it could be the tyre pressure being too high, I will check it tomorrow.

Interesting! Compared to your GT350 and S2000? Yes, Jason is correct, the dampers are adjustable every which way, and the ARB's have three settings each also, so if you want to fiddle, I'm sure you'll be able to get it more to your liking. That still surprises me though, as mine is on factory settings and rides beautifully (imo). Ride comfort is subjective though obviously, but don't fret, check out in the Exige section here what guys have been doing. It seems to range from softening fast rebound a couple of clicks to going more extreme if you prefer. But as you say, check Tyre pressures first!

3. The abundance of torque is pretty amazing, I get what Sam was saying, it should be pretty crazy once we can really stomp on the gas and let it go pass 4000rpm.

I will let you know in a couple of weeks time... ;)

4. There's not much sound below 4000rpm... it's a shame that they deleted that exhaust valve switch... 

I've read some more posts in this, and it sounds like the switch should be a simple retrofit, and then there is then also an ECU option to change with a diagnostic tool or whatever. I'll ask Daire about it when I see him for my service and report back. There are also home made DIY tricks you can do it you wanted to.

5. Getting in and out is really a mission... this is my first Lotus, so hopefully I will get better at it over time.

Won't argue with that. The Exige is even trickier than my Elise. Maybe the sill is a fraction wider? But the "leatherette" sill cover with that nice stitching doesn't help because i try not to put any weight on it otherwise the stitching is going to fray quickly. PPF covered carbon sills would be the way to go I think. Slipperier, and with the PPF, harder wearing too. Maybe I'll save up. It's interesting that over the years the ingress and egress has become something to criticise, but originally it was meant as a "feature" on the Elise, harking back to 60's sports car racers. It does severely impact the car's daily driver ease of use (just try getting in or out when someone parks too close to you and you are unable to open the door fully...) but for me, it is part of the event. It reminds me I'm getting into something special and uncompromising. I don't in the Elise, but in the Exige I also need to slide the seat back to get in and out.

Sounds like you were a good boy (like me) and haven't ventured above 4,500rpm in your first 70km. When It's got a few hundreds kms on it and you do, just a little bit, I'm sure you'll like it.

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22 minutes ago, Sam Downey said:

Congrats Frank! Looks amazing in that colour too. Love it!

 

1. The glue smell inside the cabin is really bad... 😆

Huh?! Really? Maybe I am used to Lotus' aluminium bonding glue (in fact I would be I guess) but I've never noticed that. 

2. The ride is super firm, but I suspect it could be the tyre pressure being too high, I will check it tomorrow.

Interesting! Compared to your GT350 and S2000? Yes, Jason is correct, the dampers are adjustable every which way, and the ARB's have three settings each also, so if you want to fiddle, I'm sure you'll be able to get it more to your liking. That still surprises me though, as mine is on factory settings and rides beautifully (imo). Ride comfort is subjective though obviously, but don't fret, check out in the Exige section here what guys have been doing. It seems to range from softening fast rebound a couple of clicks to going more extreme if you prefer. But as you say, check Tyre pressures first!

3. The abundance of torque is pretty amazing, I get what Sam was saying, it should be pretty crazy once we can really stomp on the gas and let it go pass 4000rpm.

I will let you know in a couple of weeks time... ;)

4. There's not much sound below 4000rpm... it's a shame that they deleted that exhaust valve switch... 

I've read some more posts in this, and it sounds like the switch should be a simple retrofit, and then there is then also an ECU option to change with a diagnostic tool or whatever. I'll ask Daire about it when I see him for my service and report back. There are also home made DIY tricks you can do it you wanted to.

5. Getting in and out is really a mission... this is my first Lotus, so hopefully I will get better at it over time.

Won't argue with that. The Exige is even trickier than my Elise. Maybe the sill is a fraction wider? But the "leatherette" sill cover with that nice stitching doesn't help because i try not to put any weight on it otherwise the stitching is going to fray quickly. PPF covered carbon sills would be the way to go I think. Slipperier, and with the PPF, harder wearing too. Maybe I'll save up. It's interesting that over the years the ingress and egress has become something to criticise, but originally it was meant as a "feature" on the Elise, harking back to 60's sports car racers. It does severely impact the car's daily driver ease of use (just try getting in or out when someone parks too close to you and you are unable to open the door fully...) but for me, it is part of the event. It reminds me I'm getting into something special and uncompromising. I don't in the Elise, but in the Exige I also need to slide the seat back to get in and out.

Sounds like you were a good boy (like me) and haven't ventured above 4,500rpm in your first 70km. When It's got a few hundreds kms on it and you do, just a little bit, I'm sure you'll like it.

Hi Sam, thanks for the detailed reply. I have checked the tyre pressures and they are pretty spot on. I was on some crappy roads yesterday so that didn't help either, the suspension might also loosen up a little after some driving? I will drive a few more hundreds km first and see how I like it. But as for my first impression yesterday, it's firmer than my S2K and Shelby, probably on par with the C63 I used to own.

It's actually quite difficult to keep it under 4500 revs because the revs build up very quickly. I also haven't dared to do too much rev matching when downshifting, what about you?😂

More driving to do tonight... hahaha

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15 minutes ago, phrankeee said:

Hi Sam, thanks for the detailed reply. I have checked the tyre pressures and they are pretty spot on. I was on some crappy roads yesterday so that didn't help either, the suspension might also loosen up a little after some driving? I will drive a few more hundreds km first and see how I like it. But as for my first impression yesterday, it's firmer than my S2K and Shelby, probably on par with the C63 I used to own.

It's actually quite difficult to keep it under 4500 revs because the revs build up very quickly. I also haven't dared to do too much rev matching when downshifting, what about you?😂

More driving to do tonight... hahaha

Hi Frank.

Maybe try softening fast compression a couple of clicks all around and see what difference that makes (Sorry I think I said rebound in my previous message, but I would start with just softening fast bump to start with). Rebound you need to somehow reach up between the wheel spokes anyway, compression is more easily accessible (it's all in your owners manual). 

I have been driving like a real nanna, but varying revs and gear etc etc. I have only done some very mild rev matching on down shifting, blipping or increasing revs when changing down, not actual heel and toe under brakes. Just because I'm paranoid with mechanical sympathy so I want everything to wear in nicely like synchros (if that is even a thing) clutch, gear linkage etc. I have noticed the revs increase and die quite quickly thanks to the light flywheel, so again, when it's run in properly I'm looking forward to getting a proper feel for all that kind of thing.

Enjoy the drive tonight!

28 minutes ago, phrankeee said:

Hi Sam, thanks for the detailed reply. I have checked the tyre pressures and they are pretty spot on. I was on some crappy roads yesterday so that didn't help either, the suspension might also loosen up a little after some driving? I will drive a few more hundreds km first and see how I like it. But as for my first impression yesterday, it's firmer than my S2K and Shelby, probably on par with the C63 I used to own.

It's actually quite difficult to keep it under 4500 revs because the revs build up very quickly. I also haven't dared to do too much rev matching when downshifting, what about you?😂

More driving to do tonight... hahaha

Sorry forgot to answer if the suspension might soften up slightly with some kms. It's possible I guess, but my car felt lovely immediately. So I think it's more likely that my "amazing magic carpet ride" is the same as your "super firm" (which does surprise me because I'm very fussy). Different roads have a big impact too. But I reckon you'll just want to soften your suspension to get it to suit your local roads and preference.

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Hi, Guys, Just a quick update, I have done about 350km now, and I have to say the ride is really quite firm and jarring for my preference (for road use), especially on paved roads with rougher aggregates, also going over road imperfections and bridge joints, you can really feel the impact. At about 250km I started to fiddle with the compression settings, and I would do a couple of clicks to the soft side, and test the car, then couple of clicks more, then test again... I ended up having the high compression rate set to the softest setting, and I do feel it's much better now, although still firm, but at least I don't get the thud or impact as much when dealing with road imperfections. I might try to get in touch with a Lotus mechanic from Chris to ask how to setup the low compression and rebound (which is hard to get to). 

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48 minutes ago, phrankeee said:

Hi, Guys, Just a quick update, I have done about 350km now, and I have to say the ride is really quite firm and jarring for my preference (for road use), especially on paved roads with rougher aggregates, also going over road imperfections and bridge joints, you can really feel the impact. At about 250km I started to fiddle with the compression settings, and I would do a couple of clicks to the soft side, and test the car, then couple of clicks more, then test again... I ended up having the high compression rate set to the softest setting, and I do feel it's much better now, although still firm, but at least I don't get the thud or impact as much when dealing with road imperfections. I might try to get in touch with a Lotus mechanic from Chris to ask how to setup the low compression and rebound (which is hard to get to). 

Hi Frank, glad you have fiddled and found some improvement.

Check online here, but yeah, best would be to get some advice on how to set slow speed compression and rebound based on having high speed compression set as soft as possible.

You might want to look into the ARBs also, as i don't know their factory default setting, or exactly how to change them, but having them on the softest setting should also help with the ride comfort.

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15 minutes ago, Sam Downey said:

Hi Frank, glad you have fiddled and found some improvement.

Check online here, but yeah, best would be to get some advice on how to set slow speed compression and rebound based on having high speed compression set as soft as possible.

You might want to look into the ARBs also, as i don't know their factory default setting, or exactly how to change them, but having them on the softest setting should also help with the ride comfort.

Hi, Sam, thanks, have you come across any threads about the Nitron 3-way adjustments? I don't seem to be able to find many threads in the forum regarding this?

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1 hour ago, phrankeee said:

Hi, Sam, thanks, have you come across any threads about the Nitron 3-way adjustments? I don't seem to be able to find many threads in the forum regarding this?

Hi Frank, yes I have. 

I think it's a case of reading plenty and then working from there to find what suits you.

Hopefully these links all work. Based on this search (try different keywords also)

https://www.thelotusforums.com/forums/search/?q=nitron adjustment&quick=1&type=forums_topic&nodes=344

This thread look useful:

but this post (that is linked from there) in particular:

I would still definitely ask the Lotus mechanics at Gilptrap though as they probably have plenty of experience with similar things in other high performance cars.

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7 hours ago, Sam Downey said:

Hi Frank, yes I have. 

I think it's a case of reading plenty and then working from there to find what suits you.

Hopefully these links all work. Based on this search (try different keywords also)

https://www.thelotusforums.com/forums/search/?q=nitron adjustment&quick=1&type=forums_topic&nodes=344

This thread look useful:

but this post (that is linked from there) in particular:

I would still definitely ask the Lotus mechanics at Gilptrap though as they probably have plenty of experience with similar things in other high performance cars.

Hi, sam, thank you for the threads, I have dialed the compression to full soft and it has already made a lot of difference. Next, I will probably dial down the rebound a couple clicks to see the difference. BTW, when are you planning to do your post break-in service?

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2 hours ago, Sam Downey said:

I'm booked in for this time next week!

The car has literally sat for the last 4-5 weeks so I'm keen to be able to start enjoying it properly.

wow, that's nice, you can finally explore some full out experience. I couldn't resist and did a couple of pulls over 45k rpm last night, and the sound when valves open up is pretty amazing! 

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Yes likewise Frank, great to catch up and hopefully we can again sometime soon.

The drive back was just as stressful! The last couple of hours were in the dark and with maybe over an hour of really bad rain. Something I haven't ever noticed in the Elise (but probably only because I've never been in that situation) is that sat so low, oncoming headlights lights really blind me, add bad rain (as in, rain with the wiper on the max setting) and due to the presence of other traffic, not being able to use main beam, and I just couldn't see the road. I could just about see where it went, but I couldn't see the road surface. So I realised that this is a problem. The guys in SUVs and UTEs don't care and just blast on, but I really think hitting one of those deep nasty potholes would do damage. In some of them the car would ground out I'm sure. In the day, constantly scanning the road was exhausting. Look too long in your mirrors and you'll get a nasty surprise when your vision turns back to the road surface. At night and in those conditions it was scary and felt dangerous. I pulled off the road 3 times, and speed ranged from 50kph to 85kph depending on visibility (i was the slowest car on the road!) I'm not really keen to make the return trip tbh!

but....today, The sun was shining and I went on my first "drive" drive, i.e. my normal weekend morning drive just for fun on familiar roads while driving the car normally post run in. So this was really the first time I've used the car as I will do from now on.

On one of my favourite local windy roads, the traffic was mostly kind (as in clear) so I could push as hard as I wanted. It's all up hill second and third gear stuff and I never once managed to put my foot flat...

Some thoughts:

The car is very, very fast. Faster than the spec numbers would suggest imo. Faster than me. It will take some getting used to and lots of respect.

It's so capable. Always feels like it's cornering flat, the ride is so controlled, the brakes are the best I've ever felt, everything is drum tight.

The steering is great, not deserving of the description of being "heavy". It just feels meaty at all times.

The exhaust opening at 4,500rpm or whatever it is, is too late. On that sort of road I was in the mid range and therefore exhaust closed more often than not.

When the exhaust does open, it's either very loud, or shockingly loud! If you have the window down and a median barrier or bank or rock face for example.

The car is savage, mental. When conditions allow and you can open it up it really is an extreme ride. It's limits are so high for me, that I cannot push up to them, no where near currently. That same road in the Elise has given me some of my best ever drives, because sometimes you can get it moving around or really feel it working. The Exige is much too fast to do the same at this stage. I cruised home at a sedate pace feeling like I needed to come down and relax! So maybe the Elise is sometimes more fun, but this thing is an intense hit. You'd think it's the same sort of thing but a different performance level, but the Exige is so much more intense. It's a much bigger hit of adrenalin.

Oh, and the fuel gauge seems terribly pessimistic. Drove about 50km with the fuel light on and still had 11 litres in the tank when I filled up? Weird. Anyway, I got 26.7mpg or 10.6L/100km out of that tank. Which was mixed driving, some on the run home, and some "spirited" which I think is pretty much bang on what they say it's meant to be. So that's nice.

So today was a good day!

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Wow. Great write-up Sam. Sounds a bit scary but exciting that it sounds like something to unwrap slowly as your confidence builds. This is partly why I want to put the car on the track so I can learn about it in a safe(ish) environment and get to grips with it. 
Were the headlights pretty crap? I’ve seen some after market ones in the forums which might make a difference at night. 
It’s an interesting observation that you can wring the neck of the Elise on the road and have a lot of fun, but the Exige, although faster, quickly gets out of the realm of sensible on the open road. 
Anyway, glad you made it back without too many dramas and I remain green with envy as I wait for mine to come of the production line. 

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Good point. I think there is a risk in pushing cars on a track, but it is a safer environment than the road obviously. Perhaps that is a wise thing to do.

I think the headlights are fine/great. The high beam lights up the road to the horizon it feels like, and the dipped are fine for what the y show. My issue was the glare from oncoming drivers, the conditions, and my knowledge that the road surface was not to be trusted. If any of those elements were not present it would have been more manageable. I guess it just irks because there should be no excuse for SH1 to be in such a dangerous state of disrepair. Not the cars fault.

Yes, as fantastic as the car is, there are differences between it and the Elise and maybe I'm biased, but my Elise in particular, which is perhaps a little more wild and Exige like that most. We will see how things go, but currently I'm thinking I need to keep both!😅which feels crazy...but a wonderful situation to be in!

I can't wait to see your car in the flesh (aluminium and composite) as I'm jealous of the blue and black combo! It's going to be stunning I'm sure.

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Interesting. It looks like it would help. I already scraped it again on the way home into Ken's drive at KW Historics! It seems fine most of the time and areas and speed bumps that I'm familiar with, but it's always the places you're not used to that put it at risk. Thankfully it is all invisible under there anyway.

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Hi Jason and Sam, happy to report that I have just hit 1000km tonight, so I will probably be able to do the post break-in service after the holiday. One thing that's a bit disapointing is that my extinguisher canister has something loose inside that's making some quite loud noises, Lotus is replacing it under warranty, so hopefully the new canister will arrive after the break so I can get it replaced together with the service. BTW Sam, are you planning to get your oil and filter changed when you come up to replace your windscreen? I might ask them to change mine during the service, just for a peace of mind.

The car has been amazing to drive otherwise. I have also been playing with my nitrons, and currently I have set both the front and rear high speed compression 2 clicks softer, and the front rebound 1 click softer from factory settings, the car rides quite nicely now and I am happy with my settings for the time being.

BTW do you guys have any recommendations on engine run-in post 1000km?

Wish you guys happy holidays, and hopefully we will be able to meet up to drive our 420s together next year 😊

 

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Congrats Frank!

Sounds like you're enjoying the car more. I hope they get that replacement extinguisher quickly for you but with the time of year etc, let's just cross our fingers for you!

I fully trust Daire but considering everyone else is getting oil changes it certainly wouldn't hurt and will give piece of mind. If it's true that they don't in fact have any kind of run in oil, and the Toyota units will be bench run in anyway then it does seem logical that there is no oil change needed. But i'll do it when the car goes back.

Do you mean >1000kms but not yet had the run in service? I just go by the owners manual which says something like you can go full throttle and higher revs but don't use "full vehicle performance" Lol. I think that means you can open it out (in fact it will be good for it at that point) but just don't do it constantly or go tracking it or anything. Heat is probably the thing, the odd put your foot down moment = good, driving it like you stole it = bad.
 

Much thanks Frank! Sam to you and yours! Have a great Holiday and hope we all get to meet up soon!

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