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11 hours ago, oilmagnet477 said:

but how much % did remain parties poll? Must have been significantly less so I don't see their point. The key to losing is losing with style!

52%.

I see we had protests and arrests again last night. This does need to stop. We live in a democracy. We had a legal vote, the rules are known. We have absolute scrutiny. So these childish, selfish bastards just need to go home and suck it up. Yes, have your say. Make your point known, but then get over it and go home and get on with your life.

My local Tory candidate said after the declaration that he was glad it was all over. He lost to the SNP but apparently the abuse, verbal, online and in letters, that he was recieving was unbearable. What has happened to people in this country that they think this nastiness is acceptable?

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Fair point @Barrykearley re the vote and I agree, but the way the press are reporting it is different.

Labour won 40% of the vote, you could reasonably say that at least 15% of those votes would have been for Brexit, so the true figure for Brexit parties vote share would be much higher as Labours overall vote was split.

However, at any figure it does not justify the protests, the behaviour or nastiness. Not helped at all by complete and utter spoilt brats like Lilly Allan and her wealthy trendy lefty pals.

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The idiots protesting are now trying to arrange to storm 10 Downing Street!

Even if they dont get shot what will taking a building achieve?

Anyway the news were reporting there were hundreds of them...hundreds! How many people voted Tory? Dont those votes count?

One woman protester was shouting "Not my Prime Minister" but he kinda is....at the end of the day.

 

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1 hour ago, Buddsy said:

 

1 hour ago, Buddsy said:

One woman protester was shouting "Not my Prime Minister" but he kinda is....at the end of the day.

 

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But Corbyn didn't get in Diane


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19 hours ago, oilmagnet477 said:

but how much % did remain parties poll? 

 

8 hours ago, C8RKH said:

52%.

This may be their position on this one point. There were however only 2 parties that could ever have won the election. One has an issue with their leader and/or institutional reputation for racism, supporting terrorist organisations and communism and quite frankly would ruin the country.

Please don't assume everyone who voted conservative was voting for leave..... yes they would have known that this was the outcome, but the alternative doesn't bear thinking about.

For the record there was a vote to stay or leave and leave won, so I wholeheartedly agree that we should leave (or more accurately already have left) regardless of ones personal opinion, but please stop claiming everyone who voted conservative wanted to leave, it is just not true and claiming as such is no better than the "remainers not accepting they lost". There I've said it.

Aside from this, agree, nothing supports violent protests


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What a bunch of idiots. 


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6 hours ago, C8RKH said:

Labour won 40% of the vote

More like 32%.

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Cons and Labour on 365(~44%) and 203 (~32%) is at least approximately in line.

But the system definitely needs some adjustment....

SnP have 48 seats, represent 4% of the vote, and dont want anything to do with England.
LibDems have only 11 seats from nearly 12% of the vote, but at least they want a United Kingdom

How  the feck does THAT make sense?

 

 

 

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44 minutes ago, DaveyT said:

Cons and Labour on 365(~44%) and 203 (~32%) is at least approximately in line.

But the system definitely needs some adjustment....

SnP have 48 seats, represent 4% of the vote, and dont want anything to do with England.
LibDems have only 11 seats from nearly 12% of the vote, but at least they want a United Kingdom

How  the feck does THAT make sense?

 

 

 

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there are problems with all systems.

The current first past the post in a defined area, gives a known person clear accountability to those living in that constituency. the elected person is supposed to represent those people. But if that person gets the single largest share of the votes, and the same happens elsewhere you can end up with a party getting not the greatest share of the votes yet getting all-but one or at least the majority of the seats in the HoC.

Pure proportional representation, means that (subject to small variances) the number of MPs a party has aligns to the proportion of the votes the party received, so  in this case LD would get c66 MPs,  SNP c26 MPs etc. The biggest problems are that you don't get a clearly accountable representative of an area (or at least not one that was elected by those locals), you don't get any possibility of independents / regional  / small parties (not if it's a small regional party), so Like SNP in their early days, PC in theirs or even UKIP in the first few elections, they'd just not get enough of a vote to  get seats. It also means the government tends to be more moderated, so a big swing from one party to another actually doesn't happen, it only really happens in the current system, so you get more hung parliaments/ coalitions, which is what we'd be facing today if we has proportional representation, Cons would need LD to form a coalition to get even just over 50% of the seats in HoC. The markets don't like them, they tend to struggle to get anything through parliament and eventually fall out with each other and call another election.

 

There are other systems, but each has its strengths and weaknesses. 

 

The disproportion between SNP share of vote and share of seats reflects the more sparsely populated trying to not lass less-dense,,,) areas that make up each constituency in Scotland. can you imagine the uproar if the govt body tried to merge seats on a tree-to-one basis to even it out? There'd be people with weapons and blue crosses on faces screaming as they attacked. Even worse, they could split the seats in England on a one-to-three basis, and we'd have nearly 3x the number of MPs and need new HoC to cope with them. The expenses could bankrupt the country.

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Cost me £28 in total. The second time round was £25.

 

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Understand and agree, Andy, just pointing out the way the balance is tipped.

imo, prop rep would be the very worst model we could have.

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Parliament have already debated a change in the way we vote and it was rejected. Is this another case of having more and more votes until the loudest protesters win?

My point regarding the % for leave v remain was actually more related to the fact that I voted remain in the referendum but voted for Boris and I know that there will have been Corbyn voters who voted leave but could never bring themselves to vote Tory.

At the end of the day - it matters not one jot. 'We' voted to leave in 2016 and hopefully now we have a Govt with a big enough majority to ensure that at least in some form, Brexit happens. Even Farage had the balls to admit that he would rather see any brexit than none at all!

I also believe that we will now see the true Boris who isn't constrained by the DUP or by the ERG - if you discount Sinn Fein (who don't take their 7 seats) - his majority is nearer 90!


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This has appeared twice on my FB page today. Seems like I am evil scum who murders thousands a year.........

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What a load of tosh @Kimbers - typical left wing moaning liberals.

Get over it - the electorate has spoken 


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Absolutely shocking. Frankly I think I need a cull on FB. Some people are just too bitter and twisted. 

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Far too much crap on there. The new government will hopefully ram this brexit stuff through and it can all be over and done with as soon as possible. I notice he is intending to remove any possibility of delay which adds certainty and leadership into the process.

onwards and upwards. I for one am very thankful 

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