Cup 430 Club

[Tex]

There is more choice if you want non OEM tyre size on the OEM wheels but it is bizarre that only Cup 2’s are available and in very short supply.

Just going to have to run my newer Cup 2’s on my road wheels 

[Bravo73]

Out of interest, why are you so hung up about having exactly the same as OEM sizes?

A small variation in width or sidewall is going to have virtually no effect on tyre performance or speedometer accuracy. 

[Tex]

Actually not hung up at all as quite happy to go to 225/295, 215/295, 215/275 

Not sure I would want any narrower on fronts and 265 on rears is not advised on the 430 Cup cars   
 

Problem is there still little if anything available in any of those sizes either 

[Inversed]

6 hours ago, Bravo73 said:

Out of interest, why are you so hung up about having exactly the same as OEM sizes?

A small variation in width or sidewall is going to have virtually no effect on tyre performance or speedometer accuracy. 

In my country it's not allowed to drive on non-homologated tire sizes. I am not even allowed to put 285s on 390 FE as it's been only homologated for 265s. Quite few countries in Europe follow similar rules.

You would fail our version of MOT (but there is no MOT for first 4 years), however if police stops you and check tires (they sometimes do if they are picky) you can get request to take car to MOT as they assume it's not road worthy.

Edited December 23, 2021 by Inversed

[Toqcars]

True. And if someone crashes into you, it’s your fault, because your car is not roadworthy and shouldn’t we there at all 🤷‍♂️
 

BTW: I will test the Federal RS-R on the Exige. Loved this rubber on BMWs for the road and track. It was on par with the Cup2. 

[SRB]

So do we know how much 430s were built after all including the FE?

[E1EXG]

Good afternoon everyone

Are there any 430 cup owners in the Bromsgrove area that could help me out.???

If you can please could you get in touch.

Thanks Paul

[Cemil Tacir]

Hi guys it's Cemil from Istanbul, Turkey.

I bought this black Exige Cup 430 in Munich, Germany 3 months ago. My main goal was to import the car before 2022 without the number plate and use it only on track days in Istanbul Park. Due to regulations in Turkey, you cannot import a vehicle in 2022, if it is 2021 model or models which are built before 2022. The car stays at my friends garage in Munich for now. If I could get a residency permit in Germany, due that I owned a factory out there and still working with many German citizens, I would get a German number plate and bring the car to Istanbul.

                                                                                                                                                                Greetings from Turkey

[Toqcars]

Oh, now we know where the black one went (I was also on the market for it, got the orange at the end). Congrats for snapping the Cup 430 FE 👍

You or your friend needs to drive it harder, titanium exhaust is not blue enough 😂

Quick tip: get an Emira GT4 for the Istanbul Park, keep the Cup 430 for the Nürburgring 😉

[Cemil Tacir]

Thank you My brother. The car is at 0 km's right now. Just put it down from the lift. Due to rainy conditions, it looks wet. Don't want to risk it in The Ring. Lots of cars in a daily event. The advantage of Istanbulpark is, the only put 20 cars max in a day, so that there is a pretty safe environment. I will also consider your Emira tip for sure.😁🙏

[Alex_Y]

Hi Guys

lotus stop production for Elise & Exige

 

whats everyone thought about future value for cup430 final edition?

 

would they go up the value and become collector items?

 

cheers 

[Toqcars]

Hope not. Mine was bought to be driven until we can get gas, until they allow us to drive the ICE cars and until my health allows me to 😎

Please don’t make it a collectable. It drives so good that it would be a pity for  it being a collectable, therefore too expensive to drive. Make collectable out of a good looking and bad steering/driving heavy car. There are quite a few 😆

[Troyboy]

I think all 430 Cup cars will become very collectable in the not too distant future. They may possibly be there already. They represent the best of the last 111 chassis cars from Lotus. I think you can still enjoy them as intended.

[jimichanga]

10 years from now not many petrol cars will be worth much at all. Far more likely that values will collapse than continue to rise in the longer term. Environmental pressures, social pressures, generational changes, shift to EV infrastructure will have to have an effect at some point. Only thing for it is to enjoy burning petrol while you can. Maybe someone might get their money back if they don’t use their Cup 430 for the next 5 years but what would be the point? Very hard to see how significant appreciation might be possible not many were prepared to pay over £100k for them when new. Track capable cars have more chance of holding some value longer term as they can still be enjoyed even if no longer allowed in the road so there’s that but don’t bet on your FE being worth more in 2030.

Edited February 13, 2022 by jimichanga

[C8RKH]

I don't get your post @jimichanga.  The only thing that changes in 2030 is that you cannot buy an ICE car.  ICE cars are not suddenly being banned from the roads in 2030.

So, we have at least 15 years of driving ICE cars on the road with infrastructure to provide fuel.  To fully change from where we are now, to ONLY EV's being driven is a generational change, not something that is going to happen over night.

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that it is not coming - the wholesale shift to EV's - but I do think it will take longer than being hinted at.  EV's are still considerably more expensive than their ICE counterparts and not everyone buys new cars, so the second hand market in ICE will probably stay for 20 years.

I think anyone buying a new Lotus now, or one of the cars built in say the last 10/20 years, as an investment for future profit is deluded. Far better in my mind to realise you have one of the current cars drivers cars in your possession, so, drive it! Use it! Enjoy it!

[scotty435]

1 hour ago, jimichanga said:

10 years from now not many petrol cars will be worth much at all. Far more likely that values will collapse than continue to rise in the longer term. Environmental pressures, social pressures, generational changes, shift to EV infrastructure will have to have an effect at some point. Only thing for it is to enjoy burning petrol while you can. Maybe someone might get their money back if they don’t use their Cup 430 for the next 5 years but what would be the point? Very hard to see how significant appreciation might be possible not many were prepared to pay over £100k for them when new. Track capable cars have more chance of holding some value longer term as they can still be enjoyed even if no longer allowed in the road so there’s that but don’t bet on your FE being worth more in 2030.

You need to get a grip on life pal. 10 years from now there is a good chance that some of us will be not a position to enjoy the pleasure of driving a ICE car critically the older generation of the forum. Obviously you have never heard of the saying of live for today not tomorrow.

[Tex]

The Main issue will be actually getting into your Exige !!

[jimichanga]

“only thing for it is to enjoy burning petrol while you can” or did no-one read that bit?

[C8RKH]

Yup, it was lost in the middle

 

[Toqcars]

Sure we are all getting old. Some day we won’t be able to get into the Exige or to drive the car on our own at all. 
 

But don’t forget that we are talking about the future value of the Exige. 
 

And regarding the value; it depends on the Lotus trademark value. If the Lotus will be the same as the MG is now or if the Lotus will be what the Porsche/Lambo/pop sportscar manufacturer is now. 
 

I don’t expect its value to skyrocket… and hope that I will not need to sell it, so care about the value. Money gone, Exige arrived to stay 🙂

[Troyboy]

I think we will still be using these cars in 20+ years. Petrol might be more expensive but I think it will be available for a long time to come. I don't give it a thought. If it becomes impossible to use these cars in less than 20 yrs then I'm going to park my Exige in my back garden as a feature that I can look at.

[theplanner]

On the topic of value and collectibles here’s my 2 cents for what it is worth:

1) I think there are a few factors that play into whether a car will appreciate in time and generally are down to racing heritage (thus nostalgic value), brand recognition, rarity (i.e. number of units world wide, design in terms of mechanical and esthetics etc), demand (i.e. is it cool or fashionable, it is a fun car to drive etc) etc

2) US market tends to govern the value of these cars

Whilst I think the exiges tick the boxes for factors like rarity (in terms of qty), some racing heritage, and its a drivers car etc, it is not sold in the US market thus the 1 market that can really drive the value of these cars is absence.  Not detracting from how well the car is put together and unique in terms of its offering in these day and age, it is still like a kit car or parts bin special.  E.g. the motor is from a Camry, gearbox from a toyota MPV etc

So I don’t believe it has all the boxes that will guarantee its price appreciation in time.  Nonetheless, it may not loose much in value though.  Unless we can convince Singer to make these cars cooler, I certainly wouldn’t put my money into these cars in the hope of appreciation.  I think there are other better bets out there that is cheaper to get into that stand a better probability of price appreciation. 

[Troyboy]

Kit car. Parts bin special. You don't get it my friend. While the US market may influence the prices of super expensive exotica I don't think that it applies to Lotus. Lotus is a British icon in the eyes of those who appreciate the history, motor sport success and driving experience of their road cars. In very much the same way Ford RS cars are thought of. Its a British thing. That's how I see it.

[theplanner]

I never stated that the brand has no history, Motorsport credentials nor a non drivers car, quite the opposite.  My comments are merely squared at the facts. Like it or not, our cars are a parts bin special, but pretty damn special one for that matter and I enjoy driving every moment of it.  Not prefect but fun and I hv owned far better engineered cars but not necessarily more fun. 
 

back on topic of value, I’m sorry but u don’t get it  as the us market doesn’t just influence high end cars. Just look at the value of jdm’s in the few years, cars that were once cheaper than our cars r now worth more.  964 were once cheap and hv gone up in value significantly.  All these examples are value propped up by the us market and others then follow suit.  If exiges were sold in the us, it’s prices may well hv been propped up too because last of the true “analogue” and “manual” cars which the us market seem to rave about. I totally agree with ur pt about the icon in the British eyes, but the market is too niche and small to influence international trends …. Another example is holdens in Australia, some once relative cheap bogan rides have sold for more than brand new Ferraris, but this price will not be fetched outside of Australia cos the market is too niche and small. 

[BatMobile]

Jdm went crazy because the US couldn’t have them so when 25yrs rolled by they went mental. R34 being the prime example