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Hi, I'm in the market for a pre-400 series Evora (NA Manual).  I've read that there were many tweeks and changes across the production span but I can get a clear view on what these are?  For example was a closer ratio sports gearbox fitted to all after a certain date or just the 'Sports Racer' model.

Any source of reference would be useful or general advice.

Are certain options to be avoided?

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Glad to have put a deposit down on the white sports racer recently on Piston heads and Autotrader.  Looking forward to the experience. 

It's an amazing car. I'm so glad it's not an ultra low mileage car so I can just use it. It went to North Wales this weekend in horrendus conditions.  The winter tyres provided total security in the w

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Welcome Mark - Here were the planned changes to the MY12 cars, not all of them were implemented however but a lot of them were. 

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Thanks for that info.  The only difference to the driving experience being the slightly faster gear changes due to the lower weight flywheel and clutch?

All else seems cosmetic.

Any info on the sport gearbox would be useful, or am I just imagining that?

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51 minutes ago, woodyrvf750 said:

Hi, I'm in the market for a pre-400 series Evora (NA Manual).  I've read that there were many tweeks and changes across the production span but I can get a clear view on what these are?  For example was a closer ratio sports gearbox fitted to all after a certain date or just the 'Sports Racer' model.

My 2010 has a CR box. All press cars I am told had CR box from the off. You need to check with the factory if an early car has a CR box (or test it yourself). 

There are many threads on this via the forums here. Do a search.

There was a lovely white NA for sale at £28K, 2013 car, 60,000 miles. Good value, owner on this parish. 

Justin

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Hi Mark.  There's a view in some quarters that the MY12 cars are better screwed together and the improvements add up to a worthwhile difference.  One significant and visible difference is the seats, so worth looking at and trying both styles if you can.

Some of the perceived weaknesses of the pre-MY12 S1 cars have largely been resolved by the owners over the years, so you will find many cars that have either had the MY12 gear linkages fitted or mods and adjustments made to the originals.  Some S1s have had lifting airbag covers, peeling headlights, water leaks, broken A-pillar covers, dodgy sensors - you'll find lists of common things to look out for on here.  But equally there are cars like mine that have experienced none of these faults, have no rattles or squeaks at 9 years old and have been largely trouble free.

On the S1s there were only a few options in addition to manual vs IPS, paint colour and wheel style: Tech Pack (plus an optional reversing camera), Sport Pack and Premium Pack.  All are worth having.  It's rare to find a car without Sport Pack (and they can be slow to sell), most parts of Tech Pack can be retrofitted if not originally specified, and Premium Pack is mainly interior finishes so down to personal preferences. 

Happy hunting!

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On 16/01/2020 at 02:53, TomE said:

Hi Mark.  There's a view in some quarters that the MY12 cars are better screwed together and the improvements add up to a worthwhile difference.  One significant and visible difference is the seats, so worth looking at and trying both styles if you can.

Some of the perceived weaknesses of the pre-MY12 S1 cars have largely been resolved by the owners over the years, so you will find many cars that have either had the MY12 gear linkages fitted or mods and adjustments made to the originals.  Some S1s have had lifting airbag covers, peeling headlights, water leaks, broken A-pillar covers, dodgy sensors - you'll find lists of common things to look out for on here.  But equally there are cars like mine that have experienced none of these faults, have no rattles or squeaks at 9 years old and have been largely trouble free.

On the S1s there were only a few options in addition to manual vs IPS, paint colour and wheel style: Tech Pack (plus an optional reversing camera), Sport Pack and Premium Pack.  All are worth having.  It's rare to find a car without Sport Pack (and they can be slow to sell), most parts of Tech Pack can be retrofitted if not originally specified, and Premium Pack is mainly interior finishes so down to personal preferences. 

Happy hunting!

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As a new Evora owner my advice is go for it, you won’t be disappointed as these cars are simply sublime. Yes the early cars have a few niggles and things to tinker with but that only adds to the joy IMHO. The drive is great and the engine sounds superb! 😎

Forum support is second to none so worth reading the various posts and owners reviews. 👍🏻

I wanted a first edition car and found a cracker so my advice is go have a drive and don’t look back 😁

Good luck with your search and please post on your progress?

Dave :) 

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Good luck with the search. I was searching for about 1 year before I found and bought mine, I hope it doesn't take you as long as it did me. I was quite picky, for me it is a lot of money to spend, so I wanted the right one. I actually viewed 8 cars and test drove most of them before finding and buying mine. It's a 2010 Evora NA manual, similar to what you are looking for. Mine is in Aspen white which wasn't my favourite colour but it has grown on me and with a couple of cosmetic tweaks that the previous owner did, it looks charismatic. Evoras are not common cars so if you can't find your favourite colour don't let it put you off an otherwise excellent car. If you are viewing several cars then it will pay to make notes as it will make comparisons easier to recall, especially if there are time gaps between viewings.

Things to consider are obviously the condition of the bodywork and paint, the wheels and the interior. On some cars the leather on the dash had been allowed to shrink and split where it is stitched together. Mudflaps fitted with original fixings are probably going to flap about. If it has got PPF, is there an area where the PPF is missing and why? Are there damp areas inside? It will need fettling to prevent water getting in.

The mechanicals - The engine is good and it should sound good with no untoward noises. Is the clutch in good condition? Some say it will need replacing after 40,000 miles while others make it last a lot longer. Is the gear change precise or sloppy? Have the gear change linkage cables been replaced? I believe all Evoras (and other sports cars) have a transmission whine from the gearbox at low engine speeds but it should not be excessive. Check all other mechanicals like steering, brakes and suspension are OK, as you would on any other car. Gearbox - Plenty has been said about the long box or close ratio box and its issues, you should search for these discussions and chose why you might want one over the other, or you may not be that fussy. Mines the long box and I'm happy with it.

The test drive - You probably won't get to test the Evora's limits on public roads but you should get a flavour. If it doesn't leave you impressed then it's probably not the right car. A couple of the cars I tested felt slightly jittery. Power delivery should be good. Listen for sounds from the mechanicals. Its a 10 year old car that is hand built and made of fibre glass so there may be some creaks and rattles.

The packs - Sport pack, Tech pack, Premium pack, you pay your money and you make your choice. Mine has Sport and Tech. Check all the tech stuff is working OK. My stereo unit had been replaced by the previous owner. The original stereo unit is not flavour of the month but it can be replaced, it's not a deal breaker.

Provenance - Is the service history good and genuine? Is the documentation good and genuine? Is the MOT history good? (check online). Is the previous owner history good?

The deal - That is down to you. When you get the right Evora you will definitely be impressed with it. Good luck.

Oh.. by the way, do you have a grandma that doesn't know how to suck eggs?

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2 hours ago, mg4lotus said:

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Good luck with the search. I was searching for about 1 year before I found and bought mine, I hope it doesn't take you as long as it did me. I was quite picky, for me it is a lot of money to spend, so I wanted the right one. I actually viewed 8 cars and test drove most of them before finding and buying mine. It's a 2010 Evora NA manual, similar to what you are looking for. Mine is in Aspen white which wasn't my favourite colour but it has grown on me and with a couple of cosmetic tweaks that the previous owner did, it looks charismatic. Evoras are not common cars so if you can't find your favourite colour don't let it put you off an otherwise excellent car. If you are viewing several cars then it will pay to make notes as it will make comparisons easier to recall, especially if there are time gaps between viewings.

Things to consider are obviously the condition of the bodywork and paint, the wheels and the interior. On some cars the leather on the dash had been allowed to shrink and split where it is stitched together. Mudflaps fitted with original fixings are probably going to flap about. If it has got PPF, is there an area where the PPF is missing and why? Are there damp areas inside? It will need fettling to prevent water getting in.

The mechanicals - The engine is good and it should sound good with no untoward noises. Is the clutch in good condition? Some say it will need replacing after 40,000 miles while others make it last a lot longer. Is the gear change precise or sloppy? Have the gear change linkage cables been replaced? I believe all Evoras (and other sports cars) have a transmission whine from the gearbox at low engine speeds but it should not be excessive. Check all other mechanicals like steering, brakes and suspension are OK, as you would on any other car. Gearbox - Plenty has been said about the long box or close ratio box and its issues, you should search for these discussions and chose why you might want one over the other, or you may not be that fussy. Mines the long box and I'm happy with it.

The test drive - You probably won't get to test the Evora's limits on public roads but you should get a flavour. If it doesn't leave you impressed then it's probably not the right car. A couple of the cars I tested felt slightly jittery. Power delivery should be good. Listen for sounds from the mechanicals. Its a 10 year old car that is hand built and made of fibre glass so there may be some creaks and rattles.

The packs - Sport pack, Tech pack, Premium pack, you pay your money and you make your choice. Mine has Sport and Tech. Check all the tech stuff is working OK. My stereo unit had been replaced by the previous owner. The original stereo unit is not flavour of the month but it can be replaced, it's not a deal breaker.

Provenance - Is the service history good and genuine? Is the documentation good and genuine? Is the MOT history good? (check online). Is the previous owner history good?

The deal - That is down to you. When you get the right Evora you will definitely be impressed with it. Good luck.

Oh.. by the way, do you have a grandma that doesn't know how to suck eggs?

Thanks for this advice. I'll read up about the different gearboxes. The red one you mention is only about 5 miles from me but I've decided I want a manual. Annoying.

I'm getting an Evora because I cancelled an order for an A110 after a test drive. Lovely car but just not enough involvement with the auto gearbox. 

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I agree with Mark on all points, although I would have liked to view several I just went with my gut in the end and as stated good history. I love the gearbox and low rev cruising with the long box, motorway use is really pleasant. We hope to take ours to Europe in the Summer so it should be perfect.

You are doing the right thing with alerts, the right car will pop up just be prepared to travel with the limited numbers available.

Parts can be expensive so as stated by Mark have a really good look at the car, compared to the Esprit where lots of parts are supported by the specialists the Evora has limited more options. 

Dave :) 

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Couple of things from me (I own a 15 SR NA)

- I had to get my starter motor replaced - apparently it's fairly common issue with  S1 models - and I think it was upgraded with a more reliable part with the 400 series. Be worth checking see if this has been done already

- check the floor mats & boot for dampness - thankfully i don't have this issue but early Evoras suffered a bit from this

- the harness on early S1 was lower quality than the MY12 and above - if you end with with harness replacement it could be be big bucks (5 days work apparently)

- the clutch can be expensive to replace so worth checking if the car  has been tracked frequently

- I've got the Sports Racer so is pretty much fully loaded. I'd recommend you get one with a reverse camera - rear visibility is not good otherwise

- the boot mechanism can sometimes not release properly , it can be a bit sticky - check this to make sure the lid doesn't need alignment

- check the tyre pressure monitors have been properly seated - to avoid slow decompression of the tyre

I've had mine for nearly a year - such an epic car - you won't regret it

 

 

 

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23 minutes ago, LOTUSMAN33 said:

We hope to take ours to Europe in the Summer so it should be perfect.

You will be popular in Europe with an Evora. Very few are seen out in the wild, so it gets lots of turning-heads and photo-snaps.

The rear seats are fab for luggage and you cannot see it in the back from outside the car, so it is quite safe to leave parked with the luggage in.

Don't forget spare bulb kit (just take some generic bulbs, as you cannot change them in the Evora), Hi-Viz jackets for each person, GB Euro sticker for the number plates, warning triangle. First Aid kit and breathalyser are advisory not compulsory. And copy of your insurance, V5 and MOT. You will need international driving licence and green card for insurance after 31 Jan 2020.

I sadly only made 149mph on the 'Bahns. I hope you do better, if that is your thang.

Justin

 

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1 hour ago, Smapmap said:

Couple of things from me (I own a 15 SR NA)

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- the harness on early S1 was lower quality than the MY12 and above - if you end with with harness replacement it could be be big bucks (5 days work apparently)

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As far as wiring harness issues, there was a poll conducted over here (back in '15) to see who had their harness replaced and what years were impacted. The results of the poll showed that the early cars appear to be less impacted than MY12+. I don't believe any '11 owners ever reported a harness replacement.
 
Here are the extracted poll results of replaced wiring harnesses:

2010 Evora NA MT (NOTE: harness short due to coolant leak, so probably shouldn't be counted)
2012 Evora NA IPS
2012 Evora S MT
2013 Evora NA IPS
2013 Evora S IPS
2013 Evora MT (replaced 2x)
2014 Evora S MT
2014 Evora S MT
2014 Evora S IPS
2014 Evora S IPS
 
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5 hours ago, jep said:

You will be popular in Europe with an Evora. Very few are seen out in the wild, so it gets lots of turning-heads and photo-snaps.

The rear seats are fab for luggage and you cannot see it in the back from outside the car, so it is quite safe to leave parked with the luggage in.

Don't forget spare bulb kit (just take some generic bulbs, as you cannot change them in the Evora), Hi-Viz jackets for each person, GB Euro sticker for the number plates, warning triangle. First Aid kit and breathalyser are advisory not compulsory. And copy of your insurance, V5 and MOT. You will need international driving licence and green card for insurance after 31 Jan 2020.

I sadly only made 149mph on the 'Bahns. I hope you do better, if that is your thang.

Justin

 

😂 last time I went to Europe in my own car was in an Escort Cosworth, We did 145 which seemed quick enough. I don’t think I would be allowed these days without a jab in the arm and a lot of screaming! 🤣

Will probably do France, Germany Switzerland and Italy but considering part of Austria as well, should knock up a few thousand miles and put the Evora through its paces.

Didn't realise you can’t change the bulbs, guessing it’s the LED thing?

Thanks for the tip with V5 and driving license, not researched that yet but knew we would have some changes to sort.

Good info on the Wiring looms Chad, thanks 👍🏻

Dave :) 

 

 

 

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6 hours ago, jep said:

I sadly only made 149mph on the 'Bahns. I hope you do better, if that is your thang.

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3 minutes ago, Bibs said:

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Love it but...…...on GPS that is only 153mph at best. I need to see your trip summary on the sat nav please. 😉

Still beat me though. Don't forget to put that in the advert when you sell.

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That was in the Orange S I had on long term loan back in 2011 on the way to the Frankfurt motor show. I think we had to fill up every 45 mins keeping up that kind of speed! 

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58 minutes ago, LOTUSMAN33 said:

Didn't realise you can’t change the bulbs, guessing it’s the LED thing?

You can change the headlamp bulbs but not the indicator or brake light ones. And def not the side repeaters. You are required to have a bulb kit for France. The legislation was clearly imposed pre-LED disposable units and Lotus do not do an Evora Bulb Kit (I asked). So I just packed some old bulbs from my Fiat 128 pile and bought the headlamp bulbs from Fleabay, £66 for two.

Osram D1S 35W Xenon bulb New HID 66144

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7 minutes ago, Bibs said:

That was in the Orange S I had on long term loan back in 2011 on the way to the Frankfurt motor show. I think we had to fill up every 45 mins keeping up that kind of speed! 

345bhp and you only did 157mph? Bah! I only had 276bhp, two up with luggage for 8 days.

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I was going up hill :lol:

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2 hours ago, Bibs said:

That was in the Orange S I had on long term loan back in 2011 on the way to the Frankfurt motor show. I think we had to fill up every 45 mins keeping up that kind of speed! 

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Stunning car Bibs, Burnt Orange?, do you of its whereabouts now days?

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I wonder if it’s this one? It’s got a private plate on it now. I see it parked at Bournemouth train station quite often. Looks a bit sorry for itself as the wheels are a little curbed and the font bumper looks like it’s dropped a bit. Love the colour though 

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18 minutes ago, 62dave said:

I wonder if it’s this one? It’s got a private plate on it now. I see it parked at Bournemouth train station quite often. Looks a bit sorry for itself as the wheels are a little curbed and the font bumper looks like it’s dropped a bit. Love the colour though 

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Could be the one, shame it’s looking a bit tired, looks like the bumper could have been painted, panel gap from bumper and clam not not good.

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