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Lotus Eclat for sale in Singapore

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Hi Everyone!

I'm new here! I live in Singapore, and just had a good look at an Eclat for sale and test drove it.

Cards on the table : I'm not familiar with the model, and I have to admit it was not on my radar, but I like it :)  So please forgive me for my poor knowledge! 

This particular model was imported recently from the UK. Its' a 1979 521. Maybe this car is known on this forum!

It seems in decent overal condition (bar a gearbox oil leak , and the speedo and possibly fuel gauge not working). But it drives well.

 

On the outside, I have a concern about the "rubber" that goes all along the body It's in a bad shape, and I wanted your help to know if it is just cosmetic, or if it actually serves a purpose (joining fiberglass panels?). Also, wondering if this part can easily by found. 
See my picture below. 

Would you be able to advise?

Thank you very much in advance, 

Bernard

 

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Nice looking car!

As always, you could spend (relatively) little or a lot on it, depending on what you want. The rubber strip - if intact - can be reattached with suitable adhesive; it isn't structural but does hide the join where the two body halves meet.

Does it need a respray? Is there any sign of fibreglass repair? Bodywork, together with engine rebuild and interior trim replacement are probably the three most expensive jobs on the car. You also need to check the chassis; the series 1 cars did not use a galvanised chassis and can rot badly.

Not sure about the gearbox oil leak; this was a Lotus built 5 speed and it used Austin Maxi internals in a Lotus casing, so it is not a particularly well known unit. It can suffer from failures; some people have no problems, some seem to experience repeated problems. There was some variability in the quality of the Maxi internals.

I'm sure others will respond more comprehensively but those are my initial headlines. Do you have or have access to a good repair shop that could deal with the relative rarity of this car? Most parts are available in the UK.

Good luck, Richard

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Thanks for your reply, Richard!

Yes, this car definitely needs some care to get it back to its original shape. Respray? Yes, likely, but I don't think it's top priority. But you're raising a good point: there are some areas on the paint which are a bit damaged, as you can see on the third picture. I am not sure a respray would address that...I didn't see signs of repair. 

The chassis seemed ok - a little bit of rust on the surface, but nothing too scary. The gearbox - I'll probably ask the importer/seller to look into the leak. I liked the short throw of the lever, quite nice to use. I found the 1st gear was a bit difficult to engage though. But a bit of practise will certainly help.

Interior trim : good. The seller has re-upholstered the seats, they look good. The dash looks good as well, except for the gauges I mentioned in my initial post

As far as repair shops : I don't think there is a lotus specialist in SG, but there are some good shops around for vintage cars, for all the mechanical parts. But not sure any of them would be able to handle the fiberglass repairs...

Last, you mentioned parts are generally available. Is there a good website which I can take a look at for reference? ( I have an 1998 Maserati, and parts are really super difficult to source...I'd like to get my hands on something a bit easier to maintain ...)

Thanks a lot!

Bernard

 

 

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Hi Bernard,

Try 'SJ sports cars' or 'Lotusbits'

https://www.sjsportscars.com/parts-and-accessories.htm?car=4&section=5

SJ respond to web based orders well and Lotusbits to phone enquires.

Good luck

Paul

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SJ tends to deal in new parts. Lotusbits is a model specialist and has a large stock of used parts from their restoration activities as well as some new parts, plus they do upgrades (keep your wallet shut!) but as Paul says, they tend not to respond to emails. Their website www.lotusbits.com has some useful guides.

As well as this forum you could look at www.lotusexcel.net which, despite its name, covers Eclats also. Note that the Eclat is virtually identical to the Elite apart from the rear window!

Cheers, Richard

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Thank you both, this is helpful.

Can anyone reassure me on the renovation of the fiberglass? Can the kind of "scratch" seen below be easily patched? 

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Check the chassis above the rear suspension where it runs across under the body. My chassis elsewhere looked fine,  but at this the most common rot spot it was actually coming apart! (See early on in  my :5 minutes a day fixing a lotus" project post)

20190222_135043.thumb.jpg.f6789cc8b8dc9b57e3e84c01b213b671.jpgFibreglass and paint can be repaired.

Of course if the car was recently imported,  someone should have checked these common weaknesses already. 😆

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Oh my...This is scary! I'll have a second good look next time I pay the seller a visit :)

I saw your post, I'm impressed! You're doing a fantastic job with your Elite.

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Hi electronic ignition is good

Swirl pot appears to be incorrectly plumbed !

brake master cylinder is strange, but appears to have a hyraulic clutch .

radio is original

ventilation controls have been modified

trim, you mentionned

Looks like a nice car, and A04 is the best colour 😉

Neil

 

 

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I think that fluid reservoir supplies the brake master cyl - you can see the rubber hoses.  Weird set up for the ventilation though as you say - could take a lot of sorting.  It is a great colour though!

Pete

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Ni Neil, Pete, 

Thank you very much for the free inspection :) I love the original radio.

Air conditioning was fitted by the importer - - I agree they could have been a bit more, well, subtle about the controls. But without AC, a car is hardly road worthy in Singapore, so I'm OK with this setup. 

And I also like the colour a lot : it's definitely Period correct :)

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Hi Bernard,

Lovely colour, Maybe the aircon controls could be moved to the position of the Lotus badge to the left and the cigarette lighter to the right + age appropriate knobs to the controls 

Rob

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  Hi Everyone!

Update : this Eclat is soon to be in my garage :) 

I'm gonna have to be patient though : it will take a couple of weeks to get the car registered in SG. 

On a side note, I manage to link this car to the post and to the ad below! Was happy to find some of the car's history.

I can't wait :)

Cheers!

https://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C1118580

 

 

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Congratulations - keep us updated.

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Hi everyone!

It took about a month, but it's finally in my garage. Took some time to finalize the paperwork to get it registered locally.

About the registration: when you import an old car in Singapore, you must register it under a special "Classic Car Scheme". This scheme comes with lower annual taxes (good), but also with a very strict restrictions (bad): you are only allowed to drive it up to 42 days a year. It works with coupons: you get 25 free coupons, and you can buy an additional 17 , for the equivalent of GBP 10 each. Once you've used them all, the car stays in the carpark...

Long story short: I'll be able to drive it less than 1 day per  week. None of this is a surprise to me of course, I bought it knowingly. But I thought I'd share this story here, hoping that maybe it will ease my frustration :) (it does not).

Anyway, I drove it on Saturday : it needs a good wheel alignment. At 90km/h, it was shaking so badly I thought I was going to loose my teeth. But that should be an easy fix. External mirors don't seem to stay in place - vibrations sure didn't help. It seems replacements are hard to find, can you confirm? (it's a S1).

More discoveries to follow :)

Cheers!

Bernard

 

 

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that is a spectacular colour, love it!!😍

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Do the mirrors say or cold themselves in at speed? If they say the the was a recall issued for this type of faint mirror I believe. Essentially is involved a star washer between the stem and the base but over so many years the metal that are made of tend to corrode o Dr here at least!

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8 hours ago, Neil D. said:

Mirrors, are unobtainum 😞

 

Neil

 

Late in 2019 I got a pair of broken mirrors (the same as on this subject car) from LotusBits. They were expensive and I needed to repair the alloy section (which I did using the method described by the seller) but at least they were obtainable a few months ago. 

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Thank you all - I'll start with the alignment, maybe that will be enough to ensure the mirrors stay in place.

For now, just seing it parked when I come back from work puts a big smile on my face :) 

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