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Land may not be in short supply but suitable land is, what's there is boggy (hence why we had to have our friends from the Netherlands help design and construct it) and has lots of endangered species living there. Cost to improve it would be astronomical even by road scheme scales of costs. 

Overall, I suspect the better route would be down the coast and across via Suffolk, which then means they might as well just dock at Felixstowe.

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The ironic thing is if we were in France it would just get built. They seem to be able to get around the issues raised by the tree huggers and newt kissers quite easily. Sort of amazing really when you think how hard anything else is when dealing with French bureaucracy!

If it was me, I'd look at putting roll on trains in - one line in, one line out - roll the trucks straight on the flatbeds and drive them off the other end - no fuss, no hassle, two lines of "floating" rail to minimise the environmental impact, clean electricity to power the huge long trains, so lowering carbon impact and taking trucks of the unsuitable roads. 

Where there is a will and an open mid there is always a way, and I bet it would be a fraction of the cost of HS2 and deliver much more economic benefit as we need to shift the focus of commerce from the jam packed south and in particular the south east around Kent, Surrey, Sussexes and Hampshire which are over crowded. That in itself would ease pressure on the M25, the M1, M6 etc.  We need to now think differently and like @BuddsyI have always found the Dutch a lot easier to deal with business wise and more direct/pragmatic than the French.

And let us not fall in to the trap of just thinking it is French fisherfolk who will block their ports. Remember the farmers and their barricades of burning tyres, the truckers and that's before we start on the Air Traffic Controllers who are allowed to hold the whole of Europe to ransom every easter and holiday period with their strikes. For practical reasons (and not be vindictive) we cannot have a major supply route that can be blockaded or us held to ransom so easily. We need to stop this "southern" strategy we have and putting all our eggs into the one French basket.

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Happy for you to keep all the traffic in the south east but if you are really desperate to avoid France (I like France) then as @C8RKH says Hull is available to Rotterdam and Zeebrugge

Ferry to Holland | Hull to Rotterdam | P&O Ferries

and Grimsby is geared up for goods traffic.

Want to go to Spain / Portugal then you have got Portsmouth and Plymouth.

To be honest, you sound like a bunch of schoolboys or even more juvenile, throwing your dummy out the pram.

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44 minutes ago, Neal H said:

I think all this will have to stay on hold for a couple of decades until we’ve paid off the Covid bill.

Not at all. The SNP's chief policy advisor, as interviewed by Andrew Neil and shared on another thread on here, has said, we need to increase our spending. We need to borrow ever more. We need to invest in growth by using other people's money to pay for it and worry about paying it back in 20 years or so.  Nae bother as we say up here. Sorted. lovely. Interest rates are so low according to the SNP we'd be doing the lenders a massive favour by taking their money. Now, surely as the SNP have been telling Westminster for 13 years that they have got it all wrong and they couldn't run a piss up in a brewery, then surely Westminster will now finally listen to them, a country with the 3rd highest debt per capita / GDP in the western world, and take a good telling from the SNP as to how to really run a country properly!

29 minutes ago, Chillidoggy said:

As well as the French fishermen, let’s not forget Brexit has reduced the Dutch, Belgian and Danish fishermen’s quota, too.

Yes but then don't need the excuse that the day has a "Y" in it to strike!

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8 minutes ago, mg4lotus said:

To be honest, you sound like a bunch of schoolboys or even more juvenile, throwing your dummy out the pram.

Why? Because we are trying to plan ahead and stop the country from being held to ransom? I mean, if the French did not have history on trying to do this I would agree with you.

By the way, like you, as I have said many times before on here I love France and really like the French (not so keen on Parisians but then as a scouser I'm not too keen on Mancs lol). I work for a French company! My second in fact. I've worked in Paris and holidayed in France many times. However, my love of France and most French people does not mean that I am blind to how the political elite play stuff like this out and how we, being an island at the end of the supply lines, can be severely damaged and held to ransom.

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The EU ideology is sadly so close to the early concepts of the Nazi party. There’s nothing in it I like at all.

 

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Dover - Calais return from £126, hour and a half crossing. 22 crossings a day. Rotterdam via Calais, 5 hours, Zeebrugge via Calais, 3 hours.

Euro Tunnel, 35 minutes to Calais, return from £180, 35 trips a day.

 

Hull  - Rotterdam return from £318, 12 hour crossing. One ferry a day.

Hull - Zeebrugge return from £318, 13 hour crossing. One ferry a day.

 

Distance matters.

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Happy to keep all the traffic in the south east.

You like France but you don't want to go there or spend money there. You like French people but you want to hurt them economically.

You don't want to go to France but you don't want to use other routes.

Make your minds up.

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On 28/12/2020 at 14:45, C8RKH said:

So your solution is that we remain at the mercy of the French ports and unions who show every year their utter contempt for us and their willingness to hold us to ransom with their blockades, go slows, etc? 

As I said, build British high speed ferries in Britain, use green hydrogen to power them and subsidise the ferry routes away from France.  It's not about being petty but it is about ensuring that we have a consistent and reliable supply chain. We don't have to do it overnight and in a rush, and there is nothing now stopping us from subsidising ferry routes as we could subsidise the ticket price and therefore it is an open and "free" subsidy for all so not anti-competitive.  If we have a viable alternative it will stop us from being held to ransom. Makes sense to me but I am not of the sea so could be wrong and misguided.

 

 

Build a tunnel to the Netherlands

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29 minutes ago, 910Esprit said:

Can you provide a link to that on the BBC? 

Guardian ok?

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/dec/30/aldi-spend-uk-produced-food-drink

Or...

https://tinyurl.com/ybx4w7mo

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Haha, I did look at they aren't really loving it are they! Impartial my ass! 

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