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On 11/03/2019 at 12:46, pete said:

So Tony Blair has been advising Macron on how to keep the UK in the EU,just imagine how he would have reacted to an ex Tory prime minister interfering in that way over Iraq!!

Now the EU are demanding 13.9 billion to extend Brexit😡

 

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1 hour ago, Mark Blanchard said:

Failed again.  

If no deal is taken off the table tomorrow then the Government is not representing the people.  Expect civil unrest, yellow jacket style.

Yes - and some. This could well spell the end of democracy as we know it.

at the last election both main parties had manefestos which supported brexit. They have both utterly broken that. We need an election and we need a firm Brexit party to stand and clear out the swamp

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In a potentially misguided attempt to inject some levity to this debate, as an observer from afar it strikes me that the Brexit fiasco presents a marketing opportunity to KFC in the UK. KFC can now offer diners the choice of competing Corbyn buckets and May buckets. The Corbyn Bucket consists of 12 pieces, all left wings and assh*les. I will leave the constituent parts of the May bucket to your imagination.

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Anyone get any more popcorn, I used all mine up several posts ago....

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42 minutes ago, Mark Blanchard said:

We need another Guy Fawkes. Do the job properly this time.

It’s very difficult to buy barrels of gunpowder. In London however - there’s porsches all over the place - they go bang just nice

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10 hours ago, LotusFella said:

Yes they’re acting like the Mafia!

That is true. The one thing that this has shown is the true colours of those who run Brussels in trying to prevent other members leaving and them losing their cushy jobs. 

That aside from what a bunch of arseholes we have on all sides of the house. 

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The so-called ERG have rejected owing to it being contrary to the referendum result. DUP for their own fairly obvious reasons.

But Corbyns lot are beyond the pale. They rejected the deal purely for political expediency. They have been basing their whole policy on a blatant lie, which is that the EU would agree to the alternative they have proposed when they know full well they would never do so.

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Corbyn is still an activist who believes he has to disagree with and reject every proposal made by the Tories.

He is the only opposition leader that I can recall who offers nothing constructive in his role and has regularly made it clear that all he is concerned about is forcing a GE in the hope that there are enough idiots around who would make him PM. 

It is an absolute disgrace that someone with his history can be in Parliament, let alone be in a position to potentially become PM.

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If we have no Deal the gov has announced:

No Tariffs on nearly all imports, except where it would be detrimental to UK businesses (10% on beef, poultry, cars, etc..)

No Border between NI and Eire.

 

Why the F&%k did they state this months ago!

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I just don't get it, I really don't. Don't the Politicians believe their eyes and ears? Or are they in such a London Centric Bubble that they think the public is behind them?

They can’t cancel Brexit, not without the whole political system falling down around their corrupt EU pandering, dishonest, politician ears. The best they can hope for would be another vote. But by doing that you will merely set a precedence and as a legal expert said tonight that will mean brexiteers will just thwart any result and demand another. And so it goes on and on and on. You risk the whole democratic system falling down to a level where nothing will ever get done and the country will grind to a halt. Unless something happens to totally change our political system then I can’t see any way the country will come out of this without a split in the population that will take generations to fix. Lastly, if the remainers think it’s bad now. Imagine everyone who was thwarted in their leave vote, voting UKIP at the next election. Even if it’s only 40% of the population, down by 12% of the leavers vote! And don't forget you are talking a voting system where 28-32% normally gets you elected with a majority. Then you will see a Major hard Brexit!

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Interesting that if you look at the polls and the opinions coming from "the man on the street" interviews that people on all sides of the fence are getting increasingly frustrated with many, even Remainers, just wishing the government got with it and we left.  I'm not sure that if we had another referendum the result would be any difference, indeed, I suspect that the majority to leave might actually increase by a % or 2.  I do think that Parliament is totally at odds with the mood in the country and I can see a crisis of constitution developing here and a complete lack of trust developing between the people and parliament.

This is a cockup of monumental proportions and personal views aside, this is a terrible state to be in.  We had a people's vote. The biggest turnout of the people in decades. And Leave was the decision. Why has this will of the people been so hard to deliver?  And why have the people who lost the vote tried so hard to over turn, through every back door and corner, the will of the majority?  It's criminal what has been done here in my point of view.

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2 hours ago, Barrykearley said:

It’s very difficult to buy barrels of gunpowder. In London however - there’s porsches all over the place - they go bang just nice

Let’s start with my Wife’s Boxster.

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59 minutes ago, march said:

If we have no Deal the gov has announced:

No Tariffs on nearly all imports, except where it would be detrimental to UK businesses (10% on beef, poultry, cars, etc..)

No Border between NI and Eire.

 

Why the F&%k did they state this months ago!

Yes funny that.

Thats exactly what I have been saying would be the situation for months. I have had discussions with several people who are usually on the ball but have been believing the constant project fear lies about huge tariffs on everything, shortages, delays etc etc because they have been told thats what happens under WTO. Now the truth is coming out because they can no longer get away with it. 

Oh and note all those who predicted doom for the car industry, no tariffs on car parts.

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We started the whole process based on lies and miss information from the Brexit camp and the whole process has been undermined based on the lies and miss-information from the Remains Project Fear.  Each as bad as the other.

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9 minutes ago, C8RKH said:

We started the whole process based on lies and miss information from the Brexit camp 

I cant think of any. Remainers endlessly bang on about the bus but that was a suggestion, not a factual statement. 

The 350 million figure is quite accurate if you factor in all the losses the UK incurs in addition to actual contributions, such as loss of VAT, corporation tax and outright fraud.

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28 minutes ago, Andyww said:

Yes funny that.

Thats exactly what I have been saying would be the situation for months. I have had discussions with several people who are usually on the ball but have been believing the constant project fear lies about huge tariffs on everything, shortages, delays etc etc because they have been told thats what happens under WTO. Now the truth is coming out because they can no longer get away with it. 

Oh and note all those who predicted doom for the car industry, no tariffs on car parts.

They can say what they like now, as they know that no-deal is going to be voted off the table this evening and of course the EU is going to agree to an extension of Article 50, thwarting Brexit has always been their goal - one they have shared with UK government and parliament!

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My head hurts. Can someone help me with this? It refers to this evening's Commons vote on excluding No Deal. The wording of the motion is: 

"This House declines to approve leaving the European Union without a withdrawal agreement and a framework on the future relationship on 29 March".

So if the Commons pass this vote, then they would move on to a vote about delaying Brexit tomorrow.

However, the BBC News website has a diagram which shows the opposite is true and that if today's motion is passed, then we move to No Deal Brexit:

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47548498

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I think it's just the meaning on the BBC site of "pass", I also read it that the "yes" vote by MPs tonight = we will not leave without a deal, and a" No" vote would mean that we may leave without a deal.

Vote phrased it the way they did, so the government are proposing something and the MPs approve it.

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The EU can always deny the extension request.

At this stage it would be suicide to take no deal off the table. If we do then the EU have won.

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1 hour ago, LotusLeftLotusRight said:

Seems that the powers-that-be at the BBC website must read TLF. 

 

No way, they would only ever read a Prius forum or maybe one about those folding bikes.

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11 hours ago, Barrykearley said:

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I had to look this up!  I must be one of the millions of ignorant idiots that voted to leave.

 

oh and signed it by the way. 

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