Brexit

[scotty435 1,118]

21 hours ago, rallyesax said:

I might hide for a moment, bullets are coming strong over here. 😉

Sorry you feel you need to hide. The bullets are coming from a tiny minority and I am afraid the most vocal members of the forum, probably your typical school yard bully in there time. I do feel sorry for our European friends and members of this forum the abuse they have to read and digest. Some more positive news today with a Brexit deal. Me for one can not wait to travel and see our friends in the EU and see and experience some amazing cultures. The usually suspects on this thread will be will have there say they always do.

[C8RKH 6,425]

Get over yourself or did you miss his "wink"!  We have also made it perfectly clear that any ire is directed at the politicians.

Anyhow, seasons greetings.

[Barrykearley 6,977]

The general dislike of the EU elite politicians id suspect is shared by many within the EU who’s cultural identity has been fully eroded by this experiment 

[100th_Idiot 360]

3 hours ago, SFO said:

The deal takes out a great chunk - if not a fatal chunk - out of SNP's incessant whining about how Brexit would ruin Scottish industry, farming and foodstuffs.

what will they rant about now?

They will rant about BoJo giving away too much Scottish fish to the EU

 

[Buddsy 1,643]

Ive said it many times I love Europe. 

I love the differences between our countries. I love our diversity. The same reason Im not a fan of Benidorm (England on sea) but love Valencia.

This is what makes trade interesting and great

We are all friends but the EU in my opinion is Germany wanting to have its cake an eat it.

 

oh well take care everyone where ever you are from and what opinion you hold.

 

Happy Xmas to you all. 

 

love and peace buddsy

 

[PaulCP 690]

Apparently the deal was held up when BoJo tried to give away all the Scottish sturgeon and the EU refused to take any.

[C8RKH 6,425]

19 minutes ago, 100th_Idiot said:

They will rant about BoJo giving away too much Scottish fish to the EU

 

Actually they can't rant about that as the Scots nolw have access to more fish and what BoJo has actually done is given the Scots more fish!  Will be interesting to see how Sturgeon spins that one but in reality it has already started as who knew but the entire Scottish economy was actually based on the seed potato and that bastard BoJo has not secured a deal for that...  What a muppet eh?

[scotty435 1,118]

1 hour ago, C8RKH said:

IGet over yourself or did you miss his "wink"!  We have also made it perfectly clear that any ire is directed at the politicians.

Anyhow, seasons greetings.

Like I said the usual suspects and sincere greetings to you and to all the lotus family from every corner of the globe.

[100th_Idiot 360]

1 hour ago, C8RKH said:

Actually they can't rant about that as the Scots nolw have access to more fish and what BoJo has actually done is given the Scots more fish!  Will be interesting to see how Sturgeon spins that one but in reality it has already started as who knew but the entire Scottish economy was actually based on the seed potato and that bastard BoJo has not secured a deal for that...  What a muppet eh?

Hmm. Yes. I am aware of that. It was a joke about the illogicality of leaving the UK to go under the yolk of the EU.

[Alfa2Evora 709]

2 hours ago, C8RKH said:

Actually they can't rant about that as the Scots now have access to more fish and what BoJo has actually done is given the Scots more fish!  Will be interesting to see how Sturgeon spins that one.......

Apparently, BJ's 'deal' is a total betrayal of the Scottish fishing industry - that's the industry that will be protected under the new Fisheries Bill (now an Act) that the SNP voted against last month and the industry that they were fully prepared to (and had behind the scenes already offered to) hand back to the EU upon Scotland being admitted as an independent European country. 😠

Their hypocrisy knows no bounds!

[SFO 194]

6 hours ago, jonwat said:

Every time I see him spouting his usual drivel & looking like he's just crawled in after a heavy night's drinking I feel ashamed to be Welsh 😪

Drakeford looks, sounds and acts like a reject from Lord of the Rings puppet collection 

 

EU document showing comparison of pros/cons of deal
 

https://ec.europa.eu/info/sites/info/files/eu-uk_trade_and_cooperation_agreement-a_new_relationship_with_big_changes-overview_of_consequences_and_benefits.pdf

 

[Chillidoggy 4,389]

7 hours ago, SFO said:

Drakeford looks, sounds and acts like a reject from Lord of the Rings puppet collection 

 

EU document showing comparison of pros/cons of deal
 

https://ec.europa.eu/info/sites/info/files/eu-uk_trade_and_cooperation_agreement-a_new_relationship_with_big_changes-overview_of_consequences_and_benefits.pdf

 

It could almost have come from the BBC.

[Andyww 1,289]

14 hours ago, Andyww said:

Probably.

I reckon when the details come out of the final stages it will be as predicted months (years) ago ie, Merkel, told by German industry to sort it, spoke to Von Der Leyen and told her to sort it, then her and Boris did so, over the heads of Barnier and Macron.

Yep, I was right:

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9084321/Angela-Merkel-pulls-strings-11th-hour-avoid-No-Deal-set-bid-adieu-EU.html

[100th_Idiot 360]

10 hours ago, Alfa2Evora said:

Apparently, BJ's 'deal' is a total betrayal of the Scottish fishing industry - that's the industry that will be protected under the new Fisheries Bill (now an Act) that the SNP voted against last month and the industry that they were fully prepared to (and had behind the scenes already offered to) hand back to the EU upon Scotland being admitted as an independent European country. 😠

Their hypocrisy knows no bounds!

🤦‍♂️ I thought I was making a joke. Sigh.

[PaulCP 690]

16 hours ago, Dan E said:

Starmer!! what a ........................ just seen him on Sky. 

Just his little speech from yesterday on Sky & yes, what a ...........

His attempt at appearing aggressive and threatening just shows how much he has to learn. Body language and wording made it appear to be a personal attack on BoJo.
There was a way of doing this which could have resonated with a large element of the British public and he totally missed the opportunity. All he had to do was say, in a calm way, “we will of course vote for this, since the only other option was a no deal, but the British public will hold the govt accountable in the future if it becomes a bad deal for the U.K.”

Labour Party leadership has been a joke for the past 10 years

[Barrykearley 6,977]

He’s forgetting that millions of his own voters voted exactly for a no deal brexit as did Bojos. If this turns out to be an utter stitch up then there will be political earthquakes. As it is - I’m sure Queen Nicola will be stamping her feet for another independence vote so they can merge and become a state of Europe. Always find that one weird they want independence but wish to be ruled by a foreign organisation.  She should look carefully at voter numbers though - since more Scots voted for Brexit than voted for the SNP. 

[SFO 194]

1 hour ago, Barrykearley said:

She should look carefully at voter numbers though - since more Scots voted for Brexit than voted for the SNP. 

Never knew that! Fascinating. 

[PaulCP 690]

3 hours ago, Barrykearley said:

I’m sure Queen Nicola will be stamping her feet for another independence vote so they can merge and become a state of Europe. 

She already has according to reports on Sky news

 Nicola Sturgeon said “This deal contains so many broken promises for Scotland, particularly on fisheries, that Scotland should now have the right to choose its own future as an independent country and once more regain the benefits of EU membership”

Same old broken record 

[C8RKH 6,425]

And yet she fails to grasp that the deal for fisheries is still substantively better that what the EU allowed under our membership. In other words she is complaining that now she has a better deal she wanted an even better one even though she is prepared to give it away by rejoining the EU as an Independent Scotland. I do wish some of our journalists would grow a pair and start responding with some hard questions/facts to really show the public just what a muppet people like Sturgeon really are.

 

[Barrykearley 6,977]

It’s worth noting that none of the waters around Scotland are scottish 

[LotusLeftLotusRight 1,322]

4 hours ago, Barrykearley said:

since more Scots voted for Brexit than voted for the SNP. 

Presumably because the Brexit vote had only two choices and was rather more galvanising amongst the electorate than a run of the mill election.

[Barrykearley 6,977]

The Scots independence referendum will be basically 

Stay with the UK

Rejoin the EU.

she’s not gonna fool any of the voters 

[rallyesax 179]

My post was to be read at a second degree of course. Nothing serious in that. 

There are very good things with Europe and some counterparts or abuse/arrangements with its laws sometimes. So I perfectly understand that people can get annoyed with it. 

Plus, the people have spoken and democracy has made its way. That's for me by far, the most important thing to defend in any case. Whatever what side of a border you're on. 

And of course, seasons greetings to everyone 🍾

[910Esprit 544]

I believe Nicola would have preferred 'no deal' to progress her narrative - However. she is a very canny political operator and if anyone can hoodwink the Scots, she can.

[mdw 282]

22 hours ago, C8RKH said:

One of the few good things to come out of Kent

 

  😟   I'm sure we will all try not to take that too personally