Brexit

[C8RKH 6,452]

10 hours ago, SFO said:

A superb article, even if it's Daily Mail 😁

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-9097491/ALEXANDER-VON-SCHOENBURG-took-joker-tangled-hair-charm-Europeans-deal.html

 

Read that an it does provide an interesting perspective, though I am sure a little biased, from outside of the UK.  As posted above, I find it strange the SNP voted against the deal (as was said, they made a lot of noise about BoJo's act of international law defiance - but then see link above for a German perspective on what a smart move it was!) given they were so strongly opposed to no deal. I mean, if the deal had not gone through due to their actions THEY would have inflicted a no deal Brexit on everyone.  Hmmm, how does Sturgeon get away with this time and time again. A serious question I would really love a serious answer to.

I see today both Norway and Switzerland are now complaining that the UK deal is better than theirs (Isn't their deal what Labour wanted?) and it seems that the real EU fears may be coming true in that several opinions (not facts) are coming out of some countries press that given the "good deal" the UK has received they are thinking of their own Exit!  

The final interesting "revelation" for me was that the basis that the EU is moving forward on , a common single Federal state where individuals countries boundaries and identities, and their governments, become increasingly irrelevant was first "invented" by the Nazi's during WW2 as part of their plan to unify Europe!  WTF?

So my question to Sturgeon and the SNP, that no journalist seems to want to put to them is, what is the point of gaining independence so that you can join the EU to have your nations borders, identity and government rendered meaningless and impotent? You give up the United Kingdom, where you have a clear sense of identity and significant self governance, to become part of the hippy commune of Europe where you just need to blend in and take it!  WTF would Mel Gibson's Braveheart think of that kind of "freedommmmmmm"?

[Mark Blanchard 1,658]

An excellent article and very articulately written.  Good to hear the other side of the coin from someone who speaks sense.

And one giant EU country sounds daft to me.  Hats of to Boris for doing the deal.

[SFO 194]

what is striking is that since the UK left the EU, the EU has been no nimbler .. in the past, all sorts of delays were blamed on the Brits being difficult 

perhaps other countries have now come out of the UK's shadow 😁

[SFO 194]

2 hours ago, C8RKH said:

BoJo's act of international law defiance 

I see today both Norway and Switzerland are now complaining that the UK deal is better than theirs

the Internal Market Bill's "international law breaking" provision was in response to EU's threat to weaponise the NI protocol by refusing to deal in good faith and expeditiously with procedures and standards on food and agriculture products, which would lead to NI being severed from GB for these products on 1 January 21 if WTO terms applied. This critical detail was completely lost in the hysterical press reporting worldwide, especially UK press and, by opposition and retired/irrelevant windbag grand standing politicians. I was delighted that Johnson fought back swiftly and robustly. Gove sorted the issue out with EU VP when the EU realised we weren't bluffing, FTA or not.   

I would be very disappointed if our deal wasn't significantly better than Norway's or Switzerland's. We are the world's 5th largest economy with much more leverage (economic, political and military) than either of them (Norway 33rd and Switzerland 18th). 
 

Edited December 31, 2020 by SFO

[Neal H 899]

United States of Europe. The EU has never pretended that isn’t the final objective and I think Macron sees himself as it’s first President.

personally I wasn’t prepared to give up being British - I’m actually proud to be British - It’s why I voted leave.

[pete 1,914]

Macron may now find Barnier running against him in the next presidential election

[PaulCP 691]

Does Tony B.liar still have his eyes on that position?

[scotty435 1,121]

https://apple.news/AIZUOJXGlSEasDZSwnlR_pA

[SFO 194]

1 hour ago, scotty435 said:

https://apple.news/AIZUOJXGlSEasDZSwnlR_pA

Why is this newsworthy?

[Barrykearley 6,988]

It’s all about division and highlighting the socialist moaning unfairness 🤗

[910Esprit 550]

Regardless of how I voted in the referendum, would I apply for a French passport If I was entitled to do so?  - Of course....  Presumably Stanley & Boris dont agree on many things, why should they?

[SFO 194]

4 hours ago, pete said:

Macron may now find Barnier running against him in the next presidential election

Barnier would win if he did, IMO. 

[duncx 123]

12 hours ago, C8RKH said:

So my question to Sturgeon and the SNP, that no journalist seems to want to put to them is, what is the point of gaining independence so that you can join the EU to have your nations borders, identity and government rendered meaningless and impotent? You give up the United Kingdom, where you have a clear sense of identity and significant self governance, to become part of the hippy commune of Europe where you just need to blend in and take it!

Scotland (and more importantly, wobbly head) get to sit at the top (EU) table - yay! - where everyone else will listen politely and then continue to act in their own interests. There will be no power of veto and sadly nobody will give a shit about a tiny economy with 5 million residents. Little fish in a big pond, they are sadly deluded 

 

Edited December 31, 2020 by duncx

[C8RKH 6,452]

10 hours ago, duncx said:

Scotland (and more importantly, wobbly head) get to sit at the top (EU) table - yay! - where everyone else will listen politely and then continue to act in their own interests. There will be no power of veto and sadly nobody will give a shit about a tiny economy with 5 million residents. Little fish in a big pond, they are sadly deluded 

 

Some of my SNP neighbours have been tweeting this morning that they are still proud to be European. I've asked them a few times why they think they aren't European any longer and they keep saying because we are not in the EU. So I pointed out and asked them if that meant Norwegians and Swiss weren't European? They called me silly and said "Of course they're Europeans" so I responded again with, "but like, you, me and the rest of the UK they are not part of the EU either, so how can you, me and the rest of the UK NOT be Europeans and they are?".  At this point they starting to imply I was a twit.  I just laughed. Some of these people are so thick...

[Andyww 1,291]

One of my lefty friends just re-tweeted a tweet from Robert Lindsay the actor. 

Apparently we should be ashamed of ourselves for "leaving Europe" because the man responsible for the Oxford vaccine is French. I had no idea what this was about until I Googled, the guy he is referring to is the CEO of AstraZenica. Not the Oxford scientists who developed it, they are not relevant apparently. In endorsing this CEO he is referring to someone who had had constant complaints from shareholders about excessive pay, £12 million last year. Not sure how this fits in with socialism. Of course none of his followers bothered to check, they all just agreed in a barrage of left-wing echo chamber nonsense.

[mg4lotus 159]

So the facts are gathered and recorded. Sloppy journalists will mis-report the facts or partially report the facts to suit their story. The readers of the news reports will only believe what suits their mind set.

I am, of course, stereotyping. Everyone is different.

[Chillidoggy 4,403]

11 minutes ago, Andyww said:

One of my lefty friends just re-tweeted a tweet from Robert Lindsay the actor. 

Apparently we should be ashamed of ourselves for "leaving Europe" because the man responsible for the Oxford vaccine is French. I had no idea what this was about until I Googled, the guy he is referring to is the CEO of AstraZenica. Not the Oxford scientists who developed it, they are not relevant apparently. In endorsing this CEO he is referring to someone who had had constant complaints from shareholders about excessive pay, £12 million last year. Not sure how this fits in with socialism. Of course none of his followers bothered to check, they all just agreed in a barrage of left-wing echo chamber nonsense.

The signs were there when he played Wolfie Smith.

[SFO 194]

1 hour ago, C8RKH said:

Some of my SNP neighbours have been tweeting this morning that they are still proud to be European. I've asked them a few times why they think they aren't European any longer and they keep saying because we are not in the EU. So I pointed out and asked them if that meant Norwegians and Swiss weren't European? They called me silly and said "Of course they're Europeans" so I responded again with, "but like, you, me and the rest of the UK they are not part of the EU either, so how can you, me and the rest of the UK NOT be Europeans and they are?".  At this point they starting to imply I was a twit.  I just laughed. Some of these people are so thick...

They are Nicola's relatives 😁

Let's not forget that AstraZeneca is a British company, and a successful British high tech company. 

[pete 1,914]

1 hour ago, Chillidoggy said:

The signs were there when he played Wolfie Smith.

only you and me remember that

[Dave Eds 286]

54 minutes ago, pete said:

only you and me remember that

Aka Foxy.

Freedom for Tooting!

 

[andydclements 790]

Power to the people.

[C8RKH 6,452]

3 hours ago, Andyww said:

One of my lefty friends just re-tweeted a tweet from Robert Lindsay the actor. 

Apparently we should be ashamed of ourselves for "leaving Europe" because the man responsible for the Oxford vaccine is French. I had no idea what this was about until I Googled, the guy he is referring to is the CEO of AstraZenica. Not the Oxford scientists who developed it, they are not relevant apparently. In endorsing this CEO he is referring to someone who had had constant complaints from shareholders about excessive pay, £12 million last year. Not sure how this fits in with socialism. Of course none of his followers bothered to check, they all just agreed in a barrage of left-wing echo chamber nonsense.

Sadly these day the left just seems to be outraged at anything and everything. Not really sure what they stand for anymore in the UK to be honest. Certainly not the ordinary, hard working, tax paying citizen. Also getting rather fed up of "celebs" like this and that bloody awful apologist Lilly Allan quoting stuff and apologising for stuff they haven't bothered to fully research.

[100th_Idiot 361]

Not really. In this regard everyone is kind of the same.

[Dave Eds 286]

I wonder what Macron has up his sleeve for five past eight........ 

[ramjet 1,090]

9 hours ago, Bibs said:

Is it just the UK that looks like another national lockdown (which we're pretty much already in)? No other countries?

Just about every border between the individual states here is closed Bibs. I think it will get worse before it gets better again.