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So what @C8RKH 

that 2.4 billion is just money that's being taken from us anyway, top sliced and given back. We can now choose who we give it to without the top slice loss......

 

win win win

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Just pointing out that Nissan has had it's fair share of our tax money already and I do not like being "threatened". They've done well out of the UK, they have world calls efficiency levels, and they have many people here who have bought their UK made cars.

Contrast that with Renault, the lardy, state propped up manufacturer with nowhere near the efficiency levels. Let them go elsewhere to Europe. We'll stop buying their cars and they will lose money in Europe from a poorer performing workforce. Just my opinion of course ;)

 

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2 hours ago, Barrykearley said:

Get signing this one chaps

 

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/168882

Signed sealed delivered, along with a FB share and a nice little rant about naysayers and doom mongers.!!! 

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what happened to the voice of the public?........

the vote said leave.....

it didn't say go to court.....over rule it then let the politicians decide

what was the point of it all then?......

annoyed doesn't cover it........we just look like a bunch of idiots and while we're messing about the rest of the world are taking the mick financially and we're getting a right royal rodgering........

the naysayers by fighting it are making it worse as its being dragged out, costing money, and costing the country its moral and financial standing

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All the delaying tactics bring us closer to the German and French elections, in which the EU is going to get a right drubbing, and another Greek bailout, and possible collapse of the Itailian economy and some predict Euro collapse. So no bad thing.

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On ‎28‎/‎06‎/‎2016 at 14:23, basalte said:

Interesting to see so many here hacked off with BBC bias against Leave campaigners. You may be surprised in this particular instance to learn that I unreservedly agree with you. 

The key concept here providing a fertile ground for that bias  is "the establishment" composition of media jobs: comprising Public School usually Oxbridge-educated "born to rule" classes. (For example, BBC Broadcasters David and Jonathan Dimbleby , the 2 sons of BBC Broadcaster Richard Dimbleby. BBC Broadcaster Dan Snow , the son of BBC Broadcaster Peter Snow, and so on). They instinctively recoil at anyone who expresses a view threatening to their belief system and instinctive elitism .  For example (I like to give examples), BBC Chief Political Correspondent Laura Kuenssberg`s brother is a senior civil servant in the Department for Communities and Local Government and her sister is UK High Commissioner to Mozambique . Hey they are soooo down with the struggling workers! They are easy targets for right-wing populists of course but I am shooting from the Left and think the BBC is just as biased towards the Right - Public School Oxbridge educated Cameron`s "In" Campaign.      

In like manner I have noted  BBC bias against Jeremy Corbyn -(the only anti-establishment candidate in the campaign who truthfully said that he was 7.5 out of ten in favour of the EU) . During the last local elections the overall vote share :  Tory 30 %.  Corbyn`s Labour  : 31% . I swear to you that I looked in vain on the BBC election results  for any mention of that share .

Yesterday the Blairite plotters who moved against JC showed contempt for the hundreds of thousands of ordinary Labour members who voted for JC as leader.  (trying to protect their old pal Blair against Chilcot by subbing someone who won`t cause trouble by asking if he`s now a War Criminal).   

That idea of "contempt for the public"-I think that it may be ringing some bells with you ?

Anyway a "new referendum" idea is another aspect of that Establishment contempt and I'm agree it looks pretty silly.

What is a more genuine "threat" to our leaving the EU is that it HAS NEVER BEEN OUR DECISION TO MAKE to take GB out of the EU. The legal constitutional position is absolutely clear.  If you voted Leave it will be our MPs who have the power to take Britain out of the EU. They will have to vote to repeal the Act OF 1972 taking us in . Parliament will be put to the vote probably after a new Tory leader has been elected.

Of course you may feel very angry at that state of affairs but there it is.

As far as I am aware a majority of MPs want us to stay in the EU. It is THEIR decision to leave or stay, not ours.

My contentious view is that Bo Jo never wanted us to leave the EU (for examples see his pronouncements previous to the referendum) and is deeply troubled by the poisoned chalice that Cameron has inadvertently dumped in his lap.

Expect Boris to huff and puff about Trafalgar, the Battle of Britain etc etc but there will be multifarious manoeuvring prior to Parliament`s vote either to gain a vote that will keep us in the EU against your wishes  or a minimal terms of Brexit that may be hammered out to give the maximum impression of action but will be a quasi - stay in the EU. 

Nothing `s ever simple......   

 

       

Hello again, PARAS 7-9 ABOVE. Funny how things turn out, who would have thought that so many campaigners for the restoration of British Parliamentary Sovereignty would be so outraged by errr...

-the restoration of British Parliamentary Sovereignty !

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Having thought about this some more and seeing some of the discussions its quite clear we are not going anywhere.

It was inevitable I suppose all along that the powers that be would find a way to prevent the referendum result sticking. They did everything they could to get the result they wanted but failed, so they are implementing plan B which is to legally require an act of parliament and then get it thrown out by the House of Lords.

 

 

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24 minutes ago, Andyww said:

Having thought about this some more and seeing some of the discussions its quite clear we are not going anywhere.

It was inevitable I suppose all along that the powers that be would find a way to prevent the referendum result sticking. They did everything they could to get the result they wanted but failed, so they are implementing plan B which is to legally require an act of parliament and then get it thrown out by the House of Lords.

 

 

I don't read it as they are legally requiring and act of parliament but that and act of parliament was always legally required and the courts are upholding the sovereignty of parliament according to the laws of the UK.

Looks like a right old clusterfuck.

The question now is whether MPs will move against the result of the referendum of not.

Interesting times.

Of course this ruling will be appealed to the supreme court and if that also goes against Brexit then perhaps they could appeal to the ECJ.

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11 minutes ago, Mark Blanchard said:

Watch out for possible corruption too as rich Business Leaders that voted remain pay off PMs to swing the vote in their favour.  

Or the other way around.

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3659328/Brexit-buccaneer-rakes-220million-Hedge-fund-tycoon-declares-winner-betting-stock-value-falling.html

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8 hours ago, Kimbers said:

If the MP's try and over turn the vote then I can see some mass rioting and demonstration!

So who's got the bigger pitchforks, the 48% or the 52%?  My money's on the rural farmers.

6 hours ago, basalte said:

As far as I am aware a majority of MPs want us to stay in the EU. It is THEIR decision to leave or stay, not ours.

If that's a constitutional fact (as stated in the full post), I see this being fully resolved in roughly an early 3rd millennium time frame.

6 hours ago, basalte said:

Nothing `s ever simple......   

Amen.

4 hours ago, 100th_Idiot said:

Looks like a right old clusterfuck.

Indeed.

Being second is to be the first of the ones who lose.

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10 hours ago, Kimbers said:

Was just going to post that up. It is really dangerous going against a democratic referendum, and I don't mean in legal purposes. If the MP's try and over turn the vote then I can see some mass rioting and demonstration!

With all this rollocks going on how long going on how long will it be until we challenge the election results..... this is getting bloody stupid now.

roll on the revolution - throw all these champagne troffing salmon guzzling fat pigs to the lions 

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Unfortunately I agree that if MPs reject the referendum result then UKIP will likely benefit despite their determination to self destruct.  However I think that is very unlikely as the MPs know that not respecting the result will be very dangerous. 

I do think the government may be making a mistake if they appeal to the supreme Court.  This body can make laws where there is a gap and also set precedent. For them to set the precedent that the government can overrule parliament would be a dangerous precedent to set and one I think they are unlikely to make lightly. The government may be better served avoiding a second bloody nose and getting on with parliamentary alignment. 

In the remote chance that parliament rejects A50 then a general election will be called. 

Lastly if MPs approve A50 trigger but the Lords try to reject it there will be a titanic response. 

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