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I can sort of understand your point Steve,  but everybody deserves a chance at life, and if James was my child i would try and have as much done for him as possible and if that included tax payers money helping out, I would not think twice about it. Having payed taxes like the rest of us all our lives i am completely for large amounts to be spent on the truly sick and needy. 

Yes i agree about the car and this should be bog standard, but as said the mother may of payed, yes i agree about the nurses should not be eating, but as said they may well be payed for by the mother, who could be a millionaire for all we know.

What i dont agree us paying for is immigrants that have payed nothing into the system, who are know getting PTS mental health care because they came from Syria etc, when most of our ex troops get nothing,  I dont want to pay for the lazy, fraudulant sick and the people who have motorbility for stuff like a bad arm etc.

Motorbility is a massive bug bare of mine and personally think all the vehicles should be bright yellow with a massive disabled sticker on them,  If you truly needed one you would not mind the colour or big sticker,  If you do you obviously dont need one that bad, Unfair people say ?  When you are getting something for free you should not be able to moan and the true needy would not.  All this crap with people paying extra to upgrade cars is pathetic and the system needs stopping and starting from scratch in my eyes.

Taxis for kids to get to school and to take people shopping all payed for by the goverment !  Have they never heard of buses ?  

The waste in the UK is disgusting, and it only shows that peoples morals have become so low that people are allowed to get away with it.

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16 minutes ago, march said:

I would be careful criticising the mother until:

1. you know the true facts, rather than 2nd hand statements (did you know how old she was, did she have problems herself etc...)

2. you have been in the situation yourself - it must be completely sole destroying and at times degrading.

Also do you know the state has paid for everything?

You're quite right Marc, most of my thoughts are presumption. And most of the time it was SWMBO getting involved as she recently had a trial as a carer, so was interested in the whole life as a carer thing. I just spent most of my time sat there looking interested thinking about how my huge taxbill was being frittered away. And of course when I got to the car park and saw their mode of transport, I was fuming.

The mum 's only roll in the care was to have the final say on the hiring and firing of the care workers, and they didn't have a lot of good things to say about her. One was, they were not allowed to use the kitchen in the house, hence why they ate out.

As far as funding goes, I'd be pretty sure it's down to the NHS social care.

 

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It's not easy @oilmagnet477 in your situation as I know. You do it out of a feeling of responsibility and just because it is the right thing to do. however, not everyone in our "society" feels the same way about it.  If you are a full time carer now you really should look to get support, financial or otherwise, that you are entitled to.  It's not about whether you feel you need it or not, it's about making sure long term you do not suffer through stress/ill health through NOT having the support you need.

The fact that Motability, as said above, is a quango and is spending money like that is exactly what is wrong with this country. Why oh why does the motability HQ need to be in London?  Workers are scarce and expensive. Rates are the highest in the country. etc.  This is exactly what pisses everyone off outside of London.  Put the Mobility HQ in Grimsby, Hull, or Lancaster - many other places crying out for work and jobs like these too. That's how many good jobs that can be created in those areas at a significant salary reduction to London. The rates and HQ would be a fraction of the cost. I mean, you could probably reduce HQ expenses and overheads by 60%. That's more money to the front line.  It really is about time that all these quango's and other things are spread across the country. There is no need for them to be in London at all.

There is a disease in the Public Sector that needs to be ripped out.  To get back to the earlier points re council houses - the councils have had no money apparently since Thatcher to build new Council Houses. Hmmm. OK. So how come so many councils in the UK have been able to find huge sums of money for new HQ's and other custom designed and built buildings on prime locations?  The Public Sector (managers and execs) seems to forget that they are here to "serve" the public and they must and should have an obligation around the cost and efficiency about what they do and how they deliver it.  Look at universities. Since the introduction of Tuition Fee's the salaries of principals and vice principals have sky rocketed to well over £150k. I know one case in Scotland where it is over £250k!  They are building new campus' in city centres, on some of the most expensive land. They are kitted out to the highest possible standard. It is all about building "palaces" and making "statements" and very little to do with "ensuring students get the best possible education".  When you stand back it really is quite sickening and so out of touch with the majority of people's lives in the country who are eeking out a living for companies that are struggling, cutting back, making efficiencies and having to take hard decisions every day.

We'd be quite a rich and successful country, with happy inhabitants, if these blood suckers were just reigned in. 

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Cheers mate - I'm actually going to get some advice. I'm about 3 yrs short on the 35 yr contributions fo r full pension at 68. If I were claiming benefits, the type 3 contributions would be paid automatically. As I'm neither working or claiming I have to pay them myself. I have however just listened to R4 Moneybox and they were saying that if you do over 20 hours/wk then you can claim a credit for the NI contributions. However, as I'm only 50, theoretically, I could have another 18 years to potentially work to build up the missing time.

You have to ask, in an environment where we cannot afford the National pension bill, why you only need to pay in for 35 years to get a full pension. Seems daft to me.........even if you didn't start working until 25, you'd still have paid full contributions by the age of 60 and yet have another 8 years to work. I'm pretty old school, no uni and started working whilst at College from the age of 17.

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55 minutes ago, oilmagnet477 said:

the form for claiming the NI credit is 8 yes 8 pages long, with 8 pages of notes.

That's kept someone in a job ffs

and no doubt only understandable to the person that designed/wrote the form

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If you are a full time carer you can get the NI paid for, applies also to parents who give up work to bring their kids up full time. My wife stopped working when we had our first 22 years ago, and she received the NI Pension credits up until our eldest was 18.  Worth doing to be honest so good luck with the form.

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On 1/28/2017 at 11:18, Andyww said:

Motability: I used to work for a multinational IT firm which had an office on Southwark Bridge Road on the river. We moved out because it became too expensive. We were amazed to see that a few weeks later it had become the HQ of Motability! As this is a Quango, there is no limit on their expenditure and executive pay. I am not sure why an organisation which provides cars for the disabled needs to have a showcase office in the city and pay their chief executive over £1 million.

There are an awful lot of charities in that location with river views and well paid CEO's. 

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Ffs - how many bloody votes do the politicians of our country need on Brexit.

you asked a question - in the government propaganda booklet it spelt everything out. The electorate gave you the democratic answer. The coward who's frankly lower than a snakes belly - David Cameron should have immediately triggered article 50 the following morning.

These utterly disconnected tossers need beating with a stick - chukka ummuna seems to be one of the worse with his bleeting 

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Calm down, calm down mate you'll have a heart attack. And right now there's no bed for you in A&E so you need to hold on to it for a wee while longer.

 

Let them have their vote. I think May is playing a blinder here. If you look, she's actually quite quiet. Letting everyone gob off. She just sits quietly and waits. But when she does strike, it's like a Cobra - swift and decisive.

She knew she would loose the high court case, and already had her plan in place.  Boom - here's our negotiating strategy, see, we had a plan. Move on. nothing to see here.

She knew the MP's would try to derail the legislation - Boom - here you go, have your vote on the settlement, but it's a take it or leave it affair. move on. Nothing to see here.

She is completely ignoring the SNP and their noise. It is quite funny watching Sturgeon and Salmond getting more and more irate. They're trying real hard to get under May's skin and she's just ignoring them. Not even trying to swat them away.  Classic.

Corby and Labour - she's left them alone to screw it up themselves and they have. Classic - she's not even had to fire a shot to kill them off. They've done it to themselves.

She reminds me more and more of Thatcher at her best. Finally, we have a Prime Minister with some balls again!

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I still think its a farce that,  that lady who is the multi millionaire has been able to take a case to court to try and hold up our Brexit,  then she complains she has had death threats etc.  I wonder why ? 

Personally i think the goverment should of kicked her out of the country and her money also,  she says its for the good of the people ?  I think it has a deeper side myself concerning her buisness ventures imo. 

 

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Gina Miller was just a front-woman to hide the fact the legal action was paid for by hedge fund managers, who are not exactly the Lefts favorite people.

Mrs May has indeed handled all of this very well. She is shaping up to be a very good PM. But the Tories are exposed on the NHS. They really need to do something about this. There are rumours that Corbyn might go, which will mean Labour will start to have a real attack on them and the NHS is really all they have to throw at them.

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She's all gone very quiet hasn't she.

I do think it is wrong however the threats she got. Bloody terrible really and I don't want to live in a society that thinks it is OK to threaten to kill, rape or whatever another person just because they have a different PoV. People who think that sort of behaviour is OK should be locked away for a very long time.

I think she was naive at best to NOT think she would not get some abuse. I also do not believe her reasons for doing it. Another wealthy financier type with the finger in the sh!t pile and protecting a very privileged way of life is my humble opinion.

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However, it's not just local authorities. Why is it OK for someone to join the police/fire service and then around 33 years later retire with a generous lump sum and a gilt edged pension at 55 when the rest of us are expected to work till we are 68/69. Presumably we need to work those extra 14 years to pay for the generous lump sums and pensions of those police/fire service people?  Sits back and waits for the usual retort - you can't expect a 65 year old to climb a ladder with a hose or chase a robber down the street comment....   ;)

 

have never understood why instead of retiring them early they don`t just give them one of the desk jobs until they are at a normal retirement age.

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16 minutes ago, pete said:

have never understood why instead of retiring them early they don`t just give them one of the desk jobs until they are at a normal retirement age.

The problem is the numbers that would build up, any service from the Police, Fire ,and our Armed forces have been built up over the years as a very high turn over in terms of manpower i.e new troops replacing old troops etc,  The problem is actually finding these postions for people once they reach that age,  it would simply be a case of too many people to fill to few postions imo.

 

 

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41 minutes ago, pete said:

have never understood why instead of retiring them early they don`t just give them one of the desk jobs until they are at a normal retirement age.

Exactly - spot on Pete. They could be "team leaders" to and mentor younger people who could then do the running etc...

I get the numbers would be an issue Dan, but there is no reason for them to get gilt edge pensions at such an early age when the rest of us are expected to work until we are 67/69 these days.  The pension should only kick in when they are older so like the rest of us they need to find a way to support themselves....

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40 minutes ago, pete said:

have never understood why instead of retiring them early they don`t just give them one of the desk jobs until they are at a normal retirement age.

That's an easy one to answer Pete, the 'desk jobs' as you put it are now filled by private companies. Twenty years ago the desk jobs were where ageing fire fighters, armed forces, civil servants went. Unfortunately this was not a good solution as many civil servants took these posts as wind down jobs prior to taking their pension (expensive). I was involved at an early stage of this shift from public to private, in a company who took over facilities management, training and IT responsibilities for some areas of the Armed forces. We had to take on civil servants initially (TUPE) and I have to say very few were of a calibre that could produce results for the role they were supposed to be in (I was in the IT branch of this company).

We were cheap (very cheap in reality) compared to civil servants running the post and we were far more productive. We saved the government lots of money basically. Unfortunately as time has progressed this model has become ingrained into civil service practices and companies (who are far better at contract writing than the civil service ever have been) are now milking the system and making fortunes from these contracts (no flexibility in requirements is a biggy - or in other words not in the contract so you will have to pay extra) . I also believe this model has allowed senior civil servants to divest themselves of the responsibility of meeting their responsibilities (not my fault, I blame the contractor etc..) - have seen this first hand with the Police and it becomes very wasteful.

Don't get me wrong I am not against civil servants (well may be a bit against arse covering, time wasting, money wasting senior civil servants) and have employed ex-civil servants who have become some of the best people I have known but in this time of ever tightening budgets a desk job for someone who is just getting on bit is not sustainable.

An example - when I started in this area, if a civil servant came along who could spell COMPUTER and wanted to be in IT - he was made an IT Manager.

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On 28/01/2017 at 10:37, C8RKH said:

However, it's not just local authorities. Why is it OK for someone to join the police/fire service and then around 33 years later retire with a generous lump sum and a gilt edged pension at 55 when the rest of us are expected to work till we are 68/69. Presumably we need to work those extra 14 years to pay for the generous lump sums and pensions of those police/fire service people?  Sits back and waits for the usual retort - you can't expect a 65 year old to climb a ladder with a hose or chase a robber down the street comment....   ;)

 

Oh god, I normally agree with you but on this one you are wrong. Firstly, like Nurses, Police have had their pensions cut (non final salary any more) and they are actually being forced to retire by the Govt when they don't want to, as part of Govt cuts. Then Young 20-25 year olds are being taken on at half the money and expected to do the same job as someone with 25 years experience. Secondly, when you are young everything is easy, but Police work involves an awful lot of physical activity. It's not just running around on Blues and Twos. When you get there you have to deal with the mass Brawl and this often ends in having to lay on hands. Whilst age is a benefit when it comes to talking to people, believe me when I say that there is no way a Police Officer can do his job properly, protecting his partner, much past 60. Infact the Fitness test you have to pass every year is pretty difficult past 55. Add in that you have Shift work which I know gets harder as you get older (2 earlies, 2 lates, 2 nights and up to 14 hour shifts) and you are pretty much ready to retire after 50, believe me.

And all this for a huge salary (in my area) of a MAXIMUM of £35,000 per annum (and not till after up to 10 years service). Starting is £20k (and local Govt is looking to cut that to £18500) add in that out of 2000 active Officers in Norfolk there were over 450 serious assaults meaning time off or hospitalisation (Just last month one of my friends had his Jaw broken) Hundreds more that resulted in black eyes, cuts and bruises and you pretty much have to say that the only thing Police Officers have to look forward to is a half decent Pension when they retire!

FML, what do you expect from 30 years of Public Service, putting themselves in harms way so you sleep well at night. their family not knowing of they are coming home or going to see them in the Hospital. Would you go to work every day knowing there is a massive chance you will be assaulted and a good chance you will be injured? And for that measily £20k starting wage they have to deal with the scum of the earth, drunk yobs, abusive domestic situations. Men with Knives, drugs, dead bodies, CPR, suicides, fights, missing children, sexual offences, drunk Drivers who have just killed someone or crashed and injured themselves, idiots on mobile phones while driving, holding someones hand as they pass as you are the only person there. the list goes on. Sod the pension, these guys and girls should be on double what they are and even then they would be underpaid!

................................. Thats my opinion.

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So are you saying it is only people in the services (police, army, fire whatever) who have physically demanding work that knackers out their bodies by the time they are 50 or 55.  What about other poor sods in factories, building, and other trades who don't even earn £20k a year and have frig all pension, let alone a nice silver lined one?

I know there are huge generalisations, but a life time Police Sergeant near me miraculously got promoted to inspector 12 months before he retired at 55 - even his colleagues were a bit "wtf". Walked out the door with a six figure sum and a lovely pension. Walked straight into a desk job with Border Control, earning another publically funded salary and building another publically funded pension pot. let's not talk about the Police who "retired" to cushdy numbers in the Probation Service etc etc.

Yes, i know every case does not make the rule. But there have been some real dodgy deals in the past and it seems quite easy in the public sector.

Do I value what they do. Hell yes. Do I think they should be paid more. Hell yes. But it's hardly going to get better  now that they have decided you need to be grad to be a plod. Christ, grads are bad enough in th private sector walking in at 21 with an MBA in dossing around and protesting and thinking they should be the CEO in 4 years. Jeez, 5 years from now they'll all be demanding to be Chief Inspectors and getting their mummies to complain about why they aren't.

I don't have the answers, but under the previous system some of these guys and girls did very very well thank you very much.

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 sorry Kimbers i can`t agree with you on this,would have more sympathy if when they retired they actually did 'retire' but seems most of them find another job so obviously not that worn out.Builders,Miners,Farmers even HGV drivers have statistically far more dangerous jobs than the police so their families are more likely not to see them come home from work and over a much longer period of time so should they be allowed to retire at 55 on a state sponsored pension

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Why do they take on civilian staff to do police admin work, when surely aging police officers would be far better placed to do it, thereby freeing up some of the front line officers to attend Kimbers' aforementioned brawls?

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