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Why would you increase the risk to an additional family when it is unnecessary. One person is exactly what the government are asking people to do

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20 minutes ago, PhilW said:

With repect Dan why are both of you going?  

Phil two trollies as had to do the mother in laws shopping at the same time 

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1 hour ago, pete said:

Are you a business rate payer

Yes although we get 100% small business rate relief so don't actually pay anything. We do get a NNDR (National Non Domestic Rates) bill each year which shows what we should pay and then has the rate relief applied so the total owing is 0.

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4 hours ago, pete said:

They are family😈

They are retarded idiots! Oh no, actually, retarded idiots are not even that stupid.

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3 hours ago, PhilW said:

Why would you increase the risk to an additional family when it is unnecessary. One person is exactly what the government are asking people to do

@PhilW I don’t think I have ever been annoyed about anything on TLF but this has wound me up a bit! So we are looking after my  90 year old mother in law, we are purposely only going shopping once a week for us (one of us) and every two weeks for the MIL so that as you can imagine is a lot, so we combined it. 

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Sorry Dan if you feel that way. We look after my MIL. She 86. Fast progressing dimetia. She rings 6 times a day. Often 10

minutes after the previous phone call because she forgot she rang. Her brother died Sunday. We had to tell her again on Monday because she had forgotten.  My wife goes once a week to the supermarket for us and her mother, oh and a 90 odd year old couple in the village. She manages it quite easily. 
maybe the reason this is bugging you is because you know deep down one person could do it but you wont admit it. 

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When my dad was alive (died just over two years ago), Sue would do the weekly shop for us and my dad, previously when both my mum & dad were alive Sue did the weekly shop. Yes Sue did it on her own.

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@PhilW, same boat here, although not so far down the dementia path and no recent losses.

MIl is 38 miles away and doing her best, but we still have to do most of her shopping to keep her safe as she forgets about the touchy stuff

We were in the middle of selling both houses to move into a house with an annexe so that we can take care of her when the time comes, but that is obvs now on hold, although we did a “virtual” viewing yesterday, so hope something might come of that

 

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There are lots of grey areas in all this distancing stuff so I think we have to let sensible people (hopefully that's all TLFers) make their own considered judgements on what's appropriate in their particular set of circumstances.

Let's face it, if we all thought the same way we'd all be married to the current Mrs H...

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40 minutes ago, DaveyT said:

@PhilW, same boat here, although not so far down the dementia path and no recent losses.

MIl is 38 miles away and doing her best, but we still have to do most of her shopping to keep her safe as she forgets about the touchy stuff

We were in the middle of selling both houses to move into a house with an annexe so that we can take care of her when the time comes, but that is obvs now on hold, although we did a “virtual” viewing yesterday, so hope something might come of that

 

Davey yes my MIL rings and you have to tell her about Corona almost everytime. It’s unbelievable how they just completely forget what you have told them. Quite challenging really. Hope the house comes right after all this. 

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House moving. Stressful at the best of times.

If it's any comfort, we waited a year to buy the place we're in now, trying to sell our old place throughout the Brexit nonsense last year and with one sale falling through and weeks with no viewings. It happened in the end though and the place we wanted was still here waiting for us. If it's meant to be it'll happen for you.

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1 hour ago, eeyoreish said:

There are lots of grey areas in all this distancing stuff so I think we have to let sensible people (hopefully that's all TLFers) make their own considered judgements on what's appropriate in their particular set of circumstances.

Let's face it, if we all thought the same way we'd all be married to the current Mrs H...

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Far be it from me to say that others are over reacting but to be honest @Dan E you just carry on mate and do what you believe is the best for your family. No one on here knows your exact circumstances, or those of your wife, so rather than judge I think a little tolerance would be kinder and more just.  Personally, the fact that you have stated it is a rare outing, for an "essential" purpose and the fact that the rest of the time you and the Mrs Dan are isolating in your own house, then you are broadly following the rules and likely putting no one else at real risk.

Those of you who are gallantly soldiering on, doing the shop for yourselves and others valiantly single handedly. We applaud you. But no need to ram it down the throat of others.

I've got another problem - my 76 year old mother who lives on her own, with 10 years of Parkinsons behind her, a broken collarbone and a femur broken in 3 places is 300 miles away, so my pain is that I can't even visit her to do her fooking shopping. So you guys are in a great position having your loved ones so close. Try to enjoy it no matter how painful it may seem, believe me, it could be worse in a different way. We're all trying to deal with this in a manner that is sensible and we cope with given our individual circumstances.

If you really want to rant at a selfish bastard then you should be going apoplectic at this [email protected]@t of a woman!    https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/11347343/stockpiler-mum-bins-food-no-regret/

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Alcohol. Sex. Tobacco. Drugs. Chocolate.  Meh! NOTHING in this world is as addictive as an Evora +0. It's not for babies!    

The first guy to ride a bull for fun, was a true hero. The second man to follow him was truly nuts!   

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19 hours ago, cweeden said:

Why is it more expensive for them to work from home? I bet they all have unlimited broadband already (probably less than £50 per month) and most mobile networks have unlimited calls (also for less than £50 per month) what else do they need?

Some paper, a printer and some envelopes and stamps if they need to live in the dark ages.

I cannot see £500 in extra expenses, and probably not even a penny if you offset it against reduced travel costs etc. 

This is criminal, we do not need higher taxes they just need to stop wasting them.

£10,000 extra to work from home, how long is that expected to last them. This is just so wrong. 🤬

To me at least, there seem to be some movement towards the left wing side of politics in bad, hard times such as this. In good times, there seem to be a political movement otwards the right wing. So when people are ill, threatned with discease, have the need for health care, or under siege of some sort, they want all the functions in society like hospitals, private doctors, dentists, firedepartment, the army, paedagoger (children care takers), teachers and others, well, even banks, to be there for them, taking care of their every need.

In good times, suddenly all these people are no longer needed in the same amount, no longer viewed as a positive product for society, with claims such as "oh, but they don't produce and sell anything, bad for export..." and some people begin to claim that all these peope are no good for society, that they are far too many, too high wages, that taking 4 years of training to be a nurse, and an extra 2 years to be an intensive care nurse, is absolutely not needed, why should they be so expensive for society, and since all these people are not producing anything, let's cut them down, sack them, give them a measely pay, and put them down in the news every day.

The ultimate left wing scenario of this is of course a communistic society, where everyone are paid the same. Totally bad for everyone, as it cannot be done, and someone will always exploit it and someone will always be greedy. The ultimate right wing is equally unrealistic with an ultimate free market ruling everything. That is bad for everyone too, cannot be done, and someone will always exploit it and someone will always be greedy. The point is, that I think we as humans quickly forget what is our basic needs and what is ego. When I see the picture that Bibs posted, it's very scary. That is a good example of extreme greed. I will admit I am very naive, so I think that MP's are elected not for themselves, but for the people. They represent you, the people, and should act accordingly, with a very high moral and equally very high ethics. In reality, it appears, not so. Most shamefull. What should be learned here, is the mechanism above and remembered, so we, the people, the voters, can act accordingly, when it's election time. That is the chance we have to keep a balance. But here again, we are struck by the good times thinking, hence the thought that we are some kind of immortal, and therefore don't need to prioritise nurses, and all the others I mentioned in the above.

Then we see or hear about some people who claim that they need to go out and socialize. They claim that for example they cannot live without having a very expensive cup of coffee outside a café. Thereby overruling the general rules commonly accepted and even stated by law in these times, endangering everyone else. That is the same mechanism in play in my view. It just spells differently. Some of my neighbours are not staying home or taking a walk by themselves. No, they go by the same car all four of them (from 4 different families), and socializing every day, making parites all night, as they don't go to work because of the lock down (semi-lockdown), and again endangering everyone else.

I would understand it somehow to a certain extent, if it was like for example during a military occupation, and they did it as a protest against that, but this is certainly not the case. This is something that threatens all our lives. Old and young.  By partying all night from many different households together, they totally let down the work I and many others are doing, and have been doing for weeks, facing the risk of getting seriously ill, or even die. But that I guess, is not visibly clear from the bottom of a bottle. Maybe the same people will sing a song over my dead body because of their actions, and sing "but he's a jolly good fellow, he died so we can drink and party and we can keep our ego fully inflated, cheers!"

Such is the world. I sometimes think we never learn...

Kind regards and best wishes for everyone.

Jacques

 

 

 

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What pisses me off is the MP's who dish out 'stay at home' advice, and then blatantly ignore their own instruction, firing off chaff and bullshit to cover up what was clearly non-essential travel. The most recent of these morons to get caught is none other than a bloody cabinet minister in the form of Robert Jenrick.

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They should practice what they preach, no doubt some one will come along and defend his actions. Double standards as always.

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In my opinion the vast majority of politicians are in it for themselves. Many of them have already failed at proper jobs, or just see it as an easy route to riches direct from public school and university. They’re certainly no “better” than the rest of us. Here in the UK, the Labour Party was seen as the left wing Party and did indeed consist of mainly ideological Socialists up until the end of the Thatcher era. The problem was that not enough of the population agreed with them, so they became unelectable. The likes of Tony Blair and his middle class cronies recognised this in the 1990s so joined the Labour Party as professional politicians. It didn’t take them long to drag the Party to the right under the New Labour moniker and so win votes for the first time from disillusioned Conservative voters, as well as their existing left wing support. Since then very little has changed. It’s naive to think that you can vote out an MP who has failed his constituents and all will be good, because nowadays the person that gets voted into their seat will be cut from the same cloth, irrespective of Party.

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absolutely right. We see the same things happening in many countries.

So ultimately, we are in it for ourselves, no one to trust in this respect, and therefore many may sooner or later realise, that they have to take care of themselves, not depending on someone else to carry them through life. The young generation where I live, seems to be divided in two: one being absolutely workaholics and breaking down mentally, when they cannot live up to their own standards, and the other being a group of eternal receiver, who openly proclaims that they don't see any meaning in getting an education, have a job and get up in the morning, because they just want to be glued to their sofa, watching tv. I think we, the older generation missed doing something here along the line.

Kind regards,

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Wow where did that come from on a Corona virus thread

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It was a couple of tries to understand why so many people are not acting according to present rules, hence many others getting upset about it ;)

So, now back to castor adjustment on the Esprit. Over and out.

Kind regards,

Jacques

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18 hours ago, pete said:

Wow where did that come from on a Corona virus thread

I get where @Jacques is coming from and think it sums up the attitude of people - some just get on with it, some do nothing, some just assume that everything is every one elses fault and they are just the victims of an uncaring society for which they contribute zero to.

It's just a shame that if COVID19 was a form of chemical warfare constructed in a lab it wasn't better refined to just attack scumbags!  

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Alcohol. Sex. Tobacco. Drugs. Chocolate.  Meh! NOTHING in this world is as addictive as an Evora +0. It's not for babies!    

The first guy to ride a bull for fun, was a true hero. The second man to follow him was truly nuts!   

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