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On 13/07/2020 at 15:34, LotusLeftLotusRight said:

So who’s been on a regular airline flight since the travel restrictions were eased? My first one is on Monday. I’m dipping my toe in gently with a 1 hour flight to Germany and back 2 days later. Got my masks!

So I took the outbound flight from Stansted today. It was eerily quiet heading into the terminal. I took this view of the ramp leading up to the terminal. Mid-morning on a normal Monday, this would be busy with travellers coming and going.

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There were a handful of passengers at Ryanair Bag Drop. I sailed through Security without anyone in front of me. Hand santizers available. Pretty much all of the shops were closed (except the "Duty Free"!) as were many of the food outlets. The Escape Lounge was open and provided table service. Face coverings were worn throughout except for eating and in the Lounge, where there was plenty of space. The number of flights operating was significantly lower than usual. Aircraft Gates were spaced out, with no other queues nearby. The boarding queue itself was OK, maybe 1 metre gaps, so OK with all wearing face coverings. On board the flight was maybe 35 - 40% full, so most people got a row of 3 seats each. Everyone kept themselves to themselves. Immigration at the German end was quick and easy. Apart from the time spent in the Lounge I wore my face covering from the moment I got to Stansted to the moment I exited the German airport. It was a bit weird, but I got used to it. Probably not fun for long-haul though. All in all, probably better than the usual Ryanair experience!

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I’m afraid for me the whole teaching profession has handled this poorly. Some schools have had excellent provision - some next time none at all. I absolutely put the blame of this at their door, the teaching unions and ofsted.

This should have been the time when the profession pulled together and did the best for the children they provide provision for. 

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1 hour ago, C8RKH said:

So what am I missing. The vast majority of kids have not been in school for several months so the Government decides to award these teachers a larger pay rise for the stirling job they've done and the extra mile they went during Covid. Meanwhile, in the private sector many people are losing their jobs and those who carried on working will not be getting a pay rise this year. Typical Labour response, "It's not enough" - pissed myself laughing as so predictable and it would never be enough. Wtf eh?

I appreciate the work those on the frontline do but yet again Politicians, Union leaders and the like just show how out touch they are. It's the bloody private sector that pays for all this. Government doesn't make money, it spends it!

 

Agreed Andy, albeit I think from many of the staff affected they would probably argue that it is the pay rise that they have not had and should have over the last several years. That said, I completely agree with you - we cannot afford it right now and it is a massive inbalance against the situation in the "real world".  Their real reward at the moment is job security, something a lot of people would give their right arms for right now. 

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4 hours ago, C8RKH said:

 Typical Labour response, "It's not enough" - pissed myself laughing as so predictable and it would never be enough. Wtf eh?

I appreciate the work those on the frontline do but yet again Politicians, Union leaders and the like just show how out touch they are.

 

I think it demonstrates how incapable the Labour Party would be if they were to lead the country. Totally clueless with a complete lack of any sort of brain power to enable them to enter into a meaningful debate, hence why the Labour Party cannot come up with anything more constructive. 

As you say, their response to everything is so predictable, from front benchers and back benchers alike and now Starmer. In their view being the opposition just means they have to oppose everything. They have learned nothing from the past 5 years.

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I get people need to be rewarded. But as @Colin P says so many people right now are shitting themselves re job security. Getting made redundant. That the response to this from Labour and others ("it's not enough") should be and could be seen as a smack in the face for the average private sector Joe who does not have the public sector enhanced terms for pension or redundancy nor do they have the relative job security.

Funny, the Deputy Head of the BMA was on the BBC this morning talking about over worked GPs. What really made me laugh was I know many GPs who have been telling me how quiet things are as people have been staying away, they've been doing telephone consultations etc. Just shows what utter bull shit it is we get fed time and time again....

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It’s so difficult to get an appointment at my GP surgery, that I'm pretty sure a lot of people just hope that whatever they have is nothing too serious, and live in hope whatever it is will clear up. The online booking service has been in operation for years, but I’ve never once been able to book anything though it, apart from a repeat prescription. Forget the telephone, because every time I call I’m No. 48 in the queue. I find the only way is to go to the surgery and wait to speak to a receptionist.

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Never had a problem here. Sometimes need to wait a few days. I think it's very hit and miss. But my comment was in general around the extra Covid workload. Or not...

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many state school teachers have really not covered themselves in glory during CV19 crisis 

private schools have worked very hard to continue the education of kids in their charge; state schools, not so much

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My local school has had such a bad report that the trust is having its funding withdrawn. School is in Harlow trust is in Sutton Coldfield in the Midlands, how is that supposed to work

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That is one school. Do you know which teachers weren't pulling their weight? Or was it the headmaster? Or was it the trust? Or was it the pupils? Or was it the parents?

Does anybody know of other teachers who aren't pulling their weight?

I have no connection with schools other than having been a pupil and being the parent of pupils. Some teachers were good and others not so good.

When I was a pupil there was no pandemic and no Internet so I don't know how my good teachers would have fared today.

The situation is complex, stereotyping and generalising is something you might expect some politicians to do. There are good and bad politicians.

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At the end of the day it must come back to the head teacher

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3 hours ago, Chillidoggy said:

It’s so difficult to get an appointment at my GP surgery, that I'm pretty sure a lot of people just hope that whatever they have is nothing too serious, and live in hope whatever it is will clear up. The online booking service has been in operation for years, but I’ve never once been able to book anything though it, apart from a repeat prescription. Forget the telephone, because every time I call I’m No. 48 in the queue. I find the only way is to go to the surgery and wait to speak to a receptionist.

I'd agree with this, even in none pandemic times you can't get an appointment so you give up. Last year I rang them up (waited in the queue) I had a mole that has started to scab up. Receptionist says, you'll want an emergency appointment, could be cancer. We don't have any at the moment, I suggest you ring back first thing every day until you can get one.

What kind of system is that!?

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1 hour ago, mg4lotus said:

That is one school. Do you know which teachers weren't pulling their weight? Or was it the headmaster? Or was it the trust? Or was it the pupils? Or was it the parents?

Does anybody know of other teachers who aren't pulling their weight?

I have no connection with schools other than having been a pupil and being the parent of pupils. Some teachers were good and others not so good.

When I was a pupil there was no pandemic and no Internet so I don't know how my good teachers would have fared today.

The situation is complex, stereotyping and generalising is something you might expect some politicians to do. There are good and bad politicians.

Thankfully my children are now adults and not at school. However, many of my colleagues have children at school.  One in Northwich in Cheshire was going banana's as the school were not even in touch for the first month of lockdown, provided no advice, and basically did nothing for the first 2 months until the volume of complaining parents forced them to act.  Shocking.

I've got some colleagues with children at a private school in Dorset who within a week were up and running with online lessons, homework / home assignments etc.

The story seems to be mixed with some schools doing superbly, and some just being nothing short of shocking!  

2 hours ago, SFO said:

private schools have worked very hard to continue the education of kids in their charge; state schools, not so much

But then given private schools are largely dependent on the funds provided by paying parents, and the trust funds from alumni, you would bloody well expect them to be on the ball and work hard. But then, I know for a fact not all parents of kids at private schools have been happy with how those schools and teachers have performed. Private definitely does not mean better as my local Private school has a terrible reputation for drug use, and issues re  drinking, behaviour etc (it's a mixed school, non boarding).

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27 minutes ago, TdM said:

I'd agree with this, even in none pandemic times you can't get an appointment so you give up. Last year I rang them up (waited in the queue) I had a mole that has started to scab up. Receptionist says, you'll want an emergency appointment, could be cancer. We don't have any at the moment, I suggest you ring back first thing every day until you can get one.

What kind of system is that!?

A crappy one.

I complained in person to the practice manager about their online booking service, and was told it’s in perfect working order. So, on the spot I challenged here to log on with my details and get me an appointment. She failed miserably, and told me it was because my GP worked part-time. FFS they ALL only work part time, I know this because one of the HCA’s that works there told me so.

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1 hour ago, mg4lotus said:

That is one school. Do you know which teachers weren't pulling their weight? Or was it the headmaster? Or was it the trust? Or was it the pupils? Or was it the parents?

Does anybody know of other teachers who aren't pulling their weight?

I have no connection with schools other than having been a pupil and being the parent of pupils. Some teachers were good and others not so good.

When I was a pupil there was no pandemic and no Internet so I don't know how my good teachers would have fared today.

The situation is complex, stereotyping and generalising is something you might expect some politicians to do. There are good and bad politicians.


When I were a lad the teachers ruled with a rod of iron, it was just like being in the ‘Kelsey Grammar’ sketch from ‘Little Britain’. Pretty sure we’d never have got away with 4 days off school , never mind 4 months.

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Those were the days when you had committed teachers (you knew they were committed as they had spent hours perfecting the art of throwing the wooden board duster at pupils heads you weren't paying attention) who outnumbered the snowflake teachers who were so wishy washy you wondered how they even made it into school each day.

These days the ratios seemed to have turned around somewhat and political correctness, left wing liberalism (if that can exist) and no accountability for anything methods and approaches seem to be the norm. Still some excellent, strict but fair, dedicated teachers out there. Just not in the same numbers... 

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My kids school was OKish before Easter, trying to keep to the timetable with the work set each day. No contact though.

After Easter, it all went to pot with my son who is in Year 7. They switched over to project work - for non core subjects(*), setting 6 weeks worth of work at a time, and the brilliant app that they used only showed when it was due, not when it was set, so both I and my son when checking the app every day, saw that there was basically nothing for him to do.

I was called by his form tutor eventually in the middle of May to see how things were going. I said that he is loving it as he is being set no work, and is on his PC all day. She was a bit taken aback when I said that there was no homework. It seems that the school/teachers and everyone hadn't twigged that even though work was set, it wasn't showing up for 6 weeks.

I had an email apology explaining that non core STUDENTS(*) were being given project work - smelly stuff hit the fan at this. Apparently some parents complained that their child couldn't cope with the work being set before Easter, so they screwed everybody over by switching to project work.

I suggested that why not post something on the App at least once a week to remind the students of the project work. That lasted a week. My son however, waited until the project was due, and completed it in a couple of hours the day before.

My daughter (year 10) however, has been given more regular work, and she says that she has learnt far more by being at home than she ever would if she had been at school. She started Google Classrooms after summer 1/2 term, and one of the students broadcast some porn - so that lasted long. Despite all the other students knowing who it was, the school can't find this out.

We are moving our daughter to fee paying private boarding school for her A levels. Son will move too when the time comes.

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Obviously, I'm a U.S. Citizen, and the entire Education system seems to be floundering, my youngest daughter was excepted to into an Early University Program, but currently there's no plan to open up State Universities.  Therefore, she's doing High School classes online, and I do wonder if I had been better enrolling her in Parochial School like her Sisters were, though she fought that.  I'm fortunately not in a role, where I can, or would be laid off, but I truly feel for those that have, even locally we have a phone app called next door where we are giving food to those families that may need it, and they can pick it up anonymously.  

 

I live in California, and without a doubt we were far too bold in opening up, and we're paying that price now, along with the other social unrest amidst at the same time.  But definitely our market hasn't been hit, like Europe.  If there's anything I personally can do for one of you, please let me know.  

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One of the teachers at my school  is now a leader of the NUT, he was a bloody shit teacher and was always more interested in left wing politics. He was a lazy bastard.

my nieces school has been fantastic sending out work everyday and doing a really good job, yet we have friends who's child has had no work whatsoever from her school. That comes down to poor leaders. Overall I have little time for so called teachers, many are lazy and would not last in the private sector. There are of course those who are exceptional but as a whole they are very poor.  My former teacher being a prime example.

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Let's not pretend the public sector has a monopoly on lazy useless staff!    In my career in the IT private sector, I would reckon that every organisation has around +30% of staff that have no measurable positive impact on productivity!

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^^ Highly accurate in my experience, and entirely demoralising.

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12 minutes ago, 910Esprit said:

Let's not pretend the public sector has a monopoly on lazy useless staff!    In my career in the IT private sector, I would reckon that every organisation has around +30% of staff that have no measurable positive impact on productivity!

We're not. However, we are bemoaning the fact that we have to pay for these lazy feckers and because they work in the "public" sector it for some reason makes them special. It fcuking doesn't!

Prime example. Go to Perth you get ripped off something rotten to park your car in the multi-story. But work for the Cooncil in the office next to it and all's great, you get two floors to park for free!  WTF is that all about and who is actually serving who in reality?

Also, I'm a huge fan of the NHS and the people who work within it. But I get totally fooked off about how we are supposed to hold them in some sort of a "saintly" position. It's a job that they CHOSE to do. Yes, we all benefit from it hugely, but if they didn't enjoy it or didn't want to do it then they can go and do something else.  I have plenty of neighbours and friends in the NHS - A&E Consultants, Anaesthetists, various Consultants and Registrars, nurses, GPs - they all seem to be doing great to be honest and the more senior ones have fooking fantastic lifestyles and certainly don't look stressed.  A fair few lazy feckers in that lot too as I spent a few years working as a supplier of IT to the NHS and the sheer waste and hypocrisy around "funding and money" is enough to blow any normal persons mind.  They by and large have no idea about efficiency, waste reduction, cost optimisation and many of their practices are in the dark ages in terms of modernisation. And that's before we even think about how un-joined up Police, Health, Education and Social Services are when it comes to the delivery of safe, efficient outcomes.....

Anyway, rant over. For now.

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