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Well it appears we may have it - just heard a Doctor describe the symptoms and it matches ours 100% - not quite a cold and not quite flu. Carina is suffering a lot more than me, but in reality for us

UK Virus ALERT   The English are feeling the pinch in relation to recent virus threat and have therefore raised their threat level from “Miffed” to “Peeved.” Soon, though, level may be raised

I don’t even find it boring to stay inside all day ...but I don’t understand why in one box of rice krispies there are 2453 pieces, and in the other one 2467!

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Some of his stuff I find stupid and left field - still makes me chuckle though. I actually think he manages to straddle the centre ground surprisingly well.

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He is a satirical genius for verbalising so well all that is shit and fucked up in our society at the moment. He should be lauded.  

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UK - source: https://coronavstats.co.uk/uk/deaths

UK locked down 23/3

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Sweden - source: https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/09f821667ce64bf7be6f9f87457ed9aa

No lockdown for Sweden

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Makes me wonder if the lockdown had any effect whatsoever.

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To me, the 'Deaths per 1M of Population' is the most important statistic when looking at performance. As far as I can see, Belgium is top of the pile, followed by the UK and Spain, Italy and Sweden, although these figures change by the day. So the 'bold' Swedish approach didn't work.

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On 27/07/2020 at 14:29, LotusLeftLotusRight said:

One other con with TUI: if you bought your travel insurance through them,

a) you have to contact their insurance partner directly (AXA).

b) AXA will only refund you 65% of the money paid.

c) AXA will only refund you that 65% AFTER TUI has refunded all of their own dues.

So presumably if TUI can stretch out delaying the holiday refund payment, then AXA can say it’s too late to cancel the policy.
 

Whilst on the subject of TUI, I saw the MD being interviewed on BBC Breakfast this morning. He was sunning himself at Lake Como, so I sent him a direct e-mail. Of course, it probably won’t even reach his inbox, but it was worth a try. The only message I have got from them so far arrived this afternoon and is effectively a repeat of their original 02.07.20 cancellation document, but now with today’s date! I wonder if they’re trying to defraud the system by unilaterally trying to change the start dates for their refund obligations? Frankly I haven’t got a clue because they don’t want to be contacted.

 

I think my recent action and another call to India may have paid off. The full refund is now in my bank account. Maybe just a coincidence, but relieved nonetheless.

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Cyprus have now said it won't accept UK residents on holiday unless they have a valid negative Corona Virus test from no more than 3 days before they arrive. 

Jet 2 has since cancelled all flights to Cyrpus until mid August. 

Yet here we are saying we think Spain is a risk.....laughable really. We were worse than most countries put together!

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There is another perspective @Kimbers.

If you are Spain, or Cyprus say, and you have generally lower rates of infection than the UK, why, would you want to open your country up to tourists from the UK, without pre-vetting and testing, to potentially travel and infect your citizens?

Of course, the honest answer is you would only want to do this if you valued the tourist pound more than the potential for increased infection rates and deaths amongst your own citizens.

So, the real question for me is, WTF is Spain doing letting us in? The decision is bordering on being immoral.

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So you have never been to Ayia Nappa then? Some Brits should not be allowed to travel. End of.

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There really has to be a mental and governmental skills set screening for Presidential candidates in the future. Trump believes too many reality TV situations (when it's to his advantage. ) He must have a stock position in hydroxychloroquine. which he continues to push after many in the Medical community have said it does nothing for Covid.19. This so called doctor is from planet 9 in her beliefs and we got Trump endorsing her?  

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1 hour ago, comem47 said:

There really has to be a mental and governmental skills set screening for Presidential candidates in the future.

 

 

You’d need to consider the probability that none of the candidates would get past the screening.

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Still the people of India are doing well making all of the masks for you people who will wear them.

Here is a vid from Feb showing just how productive these people are. Great ingenuity to be able to churn them out at that speed.

 

 

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20 hours ago, ChrisJ said:

Makes me wonder if the lockdown had any effect whatsoever.

Not by much possibly. Your previous link, here: https://jbhandleyblog.com/home/2020/7/27/lockdownlunacythree

made for interesting statistics, and others have similar lines of thought. And the spike in Australia is probably seasonal too, so it will get worse before it improves. Sweden may well have been right and imposed much less damage on their people, both psychologically and economically. And how many people in UK have missed on being helped with other more serious medical issues, and hence shorten their life spans? Seems to have made it much worse for the majority rather than screen the minority and keep everything as normal as possible. If we had the mentality of staying at home if we have cold/flu symptoms, instead of soldiering on regardless, there may well be far less general spreading of corona viruses on the whole.

If a group of people on an Antarctica Research Station, after many weeks isolation suddenly have a serious outbreak of flu, what is the mechanism that caused that? How the hell can the world get rid of CV-19, it can't, and has to adapt, but in a realistic manner.

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The non masked workers are picking up all the Covid 19 on the floor as part of the MFG process !!!   One case where wearing a mask is a gamble to your health !!  😧

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8 minutes ago, Clive59 said:

Not by much possibly. Your previous link, here: https://jbhandleyblog.com/home/2020/7/27/lockdownlunacythree

made for interesting statistics, and others have similar lines of thought. And the spike in Australia is probably seasonal too, so it will get worse before it improves. Sweden may well have been right and imposed much less damage on their people, both psychologically and economically. And how many people in UK have missed on being helped with other more serious medical issues, and hence shorten their life spans? Seems to have made it much worse for the majority rather than screen the minority and keep everything as normal as possible. If we had the mentality of staying at home if we have cold/flu symptoms, instead of soldiering on regardless, there may well be far less general spreading of corona viruses on the whole.

If a group of people on an Antarctica Research Station, after many weeks isolation suddenly have a serious outbreak of flu, what is the mechanism that caused that? How the hell can the world get rid of CV-19, it can't, and has to adapt, but in a realistic manner.

Might have worked if we had the ability to test in volume anywhere in the country early enough and the capability to trace contacts. This is what South Korea did so they didn't need a national lockdown. They learned from SARS.

We had neither in place and barely have it now. There was no real choice but lockdown at the time.

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One of the F1 drivers,Perez, is being tested  for the virus

hindsight: the science that is never wrong

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10 hours ago, Chillidoggy said:

As far as I can see, Belgium is top of the pile, followed by the UK and Spain, Italy and Sweden, although these figures change by the day. So the 'bold' Swedish approach didn't work.

Surely that means that the "bold" Swedish approach has had the same effect as lockdown?

Wasn't lockdown  to "Flatten the curve" and "Save the NHS". To this end Nightingale hospitals were constructed - and then not really needed as the peak had already been reached by then. the curve looks remarkably similar to Sweden's - not flattened at all, so was the lockdown necessary? It seemed to have been called in the UK when the figures of 500,000 deaths was raised, which no government wants to have laid at their desk, and really had no alternative but to call for a lockdown.

I did notice that the media seemed to be revelling in the daily death rate - that seems to have switched now that the death figures have dropped, and they are now concentrating on the number of new cases a day - irrespective of how many people have been tested. There has been no questioning, by the media or opposition parties. How many in Hospital? How many in ICU, How many recovered? etc.

I can't think of another time when the well have been quarantined, and if you are under 40, you stand more chance of being killed on the road than dying from this virus.

I think that the government and it's advisors are so sold on the lockdown and the subsequent measures, that to backtrack now is next to impossible for them as so many reputations are on the line. The solution they seem to be desperate for is a vaccine, so they have to keep on bigging up the situation until this arrives. Once there is one, my guess it will be announced that everything is fine now and that you can all go back to normal - except that the economy has tanked - possibly for no reason.

I wish that the government would be honest with us, but pigs might fly.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, 100th_Idiot said:

@pete I think his test was inconclusive so he is isolating and will probably be  tested again.

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That's a shame. Perez is good for F1.

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4 hours ago, 100th_Idiot said:

There was no real choice but lockdown at the time.

Looking at the numbers, it was nowhere near the catastrophe that was made out, and the modelling that was used, was sourced from a previously erroneous modeller, which did not have a good track record. If other, more realistic models were considered, a very different outcome could have happened. This is a long listen, but covers a lot of ground on what, where and when, and what the science is.

 

 

 

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On 26/07/2020 at 10:45, sailorbob said:

Surely it's not beyond the wit of someone to analyse the data , look for an upward trend and if there's a projection that the rate of infection is going to be larger than is acceptable to only then advise that quarantine will be imposed in X number of days.

Apparently it is beyond the wit of our government; I saw on the news last night that they are going to increase the frequency at which they review the infection rates in other countries from every three weeks to weekly now  :wallbash:

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