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Well it appears we may have it - just heard a Doctor describe the symptoms and it matches ours 100% - not quite a cold and not quite flu. Carina is suffering a lot more than me, but in reality for us

UK Virus ALERT   The English are feeling the pinch in relation to recent virus threat and have therefore raised their threat level from “Miffed” to “Peeved.” Soon, though, level may be raised

I don’t even find it boring to stay inside all day ...but I don’t understand why in one box of rice krispies there are 2453 pieces, and in the other one 2467!

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Colin - this is the site with the figures you are looking for: https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/healthcare - you can drill down Nations for no of tests, Local authorities for no of +ve tests and NHS regions for healthcare.

 

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3 hours ago, pete said:

In other countries where the  infection rate has risen considerably deaths have not followed suit. Is the virus weakening or are we better able to treat it

Chris there is nothing new under the sun. Our immune system is the greatest thing. Ive not been ill since Feb and am worried my immune system isnt being strengthen as it should. 

So much so Ive started licking my keys every morning to help me. B-)

Anyway more people waking up the BS in Aus

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But were these predictions based on the projected result of no remedial action being taken? Most of the reporting of Ferguson's models was from the media, which I don't trust to provide an objective scientific appraisal. Having said that I've not seen, and more worryingly I don't know of anywhere that has provided a measured review of his models. Regardless, some plan needs to be in place and more investment in disease control needs to be made.

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Was the fact that the actual number of deaths were much lower due to a quick response to the risk, or that the predictions themselves were overinflated? That's the crux of the problem. This is where it comes down to trust in science. Balancing the risk of deaths with the risk to the economy is never going to be perceived as being 'correct', as it's unprovable after the fact. In the entitled society we live in, riddled with populism, who'd be a scientist to make predictions eh? 

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Hmmm, sounds to me that it is be of those schools full of lazy teachers who are intent on making a political statement, wanting to enjoy their extended holiday on full pay.

In contrast, there was a head teacher on breakfast TV earlier this week. A youngish chap to be a head but he was talking & enthusing about how his school has been preparing since April to ensure that the kids have had plenty of on-line tuition with all work being marked and how they have held weekly meetings to prepare the school for the kids returning. He also said “it doesn’t take much intelligence to be able to determine what should be needed so they mainly acted upon their own Ideas in preparing the schools ahead of any official guidance.”
 

Some schools have a good head and good teachers but unfortunately others are full of lazy b’stards teachers who only want to engage in a political agenda. Why it is all Gav Williamson’s fault I don’t know, he hasn’t personally employed all of the lazy teachers who just want to continue their lengthy holiday on full pay.

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Nope they didn’t, the report was followed by interviewing a young teacher who said he was scared to death about having to go back because the school could never achieve what was required at such short notice, if ever at all. He also complained that the govt was not providing teachers with the necessary PPE.

I’d wager that he didn’t have a clue what PPE was 6 months ago!

But for once there was a bit of “balanced” reporting

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On 01/09/2020 at 18:35, ChrisJ said:

Liberty? Have you seen any of the draconian things that are going down in Australia? 

The actions being done there in the name of this virus are just not right.

These people in roles of power should know better.  I hope history will see those people in a very dim view

 When this is finally put to bed those police and others responsible become answerable for their actions.

Australia was once a place you would want to go but not anymore.

 

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Rushing out a vaccine and granting the manufacturer immunity from liability should it cause you harm? Is that really it?

I thought governments were meant to protect the people from shit like this?

And they will allow advertising to promote the use of the unlicensed vaccine? 

Someone has to be on the take.

 

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It's not a total immunity from liability... 

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Extent of the protection

Regulation 345 does not provide complete immunity from civil liability. As Directive 2001/83 requires, regulation 345(4) preserves the application of section 2 of the Consumer Protection Act 1987 (CPA). This means that if a product does not meet the standards set by the Part 1 of the CPA, manufacturers and marketing authorisation holders are not protected from legal action. A product is defective, for the purposes of the CPA, “…if the safety of the product is not such as persons generally are entitled to expect…”, taking all the circumstances into account.

If there is an intrinsic problem with the nature of the product that renders it unsafe, the producer has to be able to show that the objective state of scientific and technical knowledge at the time it was put on the market, including the most advanced level of such knowledge, was not such as to enable that defect to be discovered.

However, that'll be hard to prove in court when your dead or dying from unforeseen side effects.

What I find interesting is the coupling of the flu vaccine. Convenient to administer it at the same time yes, but also commercialising for later.

There's also this: 

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4. Vaccine Promotion

This means that, in relation to medicines advertising, the permitted campaigns could relate to any medicinal product use in response to “…the suspected or confirmed spread of… pathogenic agents… toxins… chemical agents or…nuclear radiation…”.

What else are they expecting to happen in the future? Life gets a little more like Blade Runner and Deus Ex every day....

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@MysteraeI read the consultation as a regular guy trying to work out what they meant by this. Its very hard to see what they are aiming for.

 

There is a email to send your views to.

Is a case that members of the public can reply " no thank you very much" and it will be considered? 

Or is it like @Kimbers thread where they just do what they please?

 

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