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1 hour ago, Paul Coleman said:

 The original poster was rightly stating that some of the shots were of a model but then somebody else misread what he wrote and interpreted it as though he was saying it was all done with models 

Well that was me as you probably know, and the argument started out, not from the poster but the link which he posted which stated:


"Today’s clip from THE SPY WHO LOVED ME (1977) features one of 007’s most iconic cars – the Lotus Esprit S1 affectionately known as “Wet Nellie”. For the underwater sequences, a miniature Lotus was guided through the clear waters of the Bahamas on ultra-thin wires."

It was that which prompted me to post my original comment on that thread. The sub was not mentioned at all. I cant really understand why everyone else does not see anything wrong with the statement. Its as if the sub never existed. OK the engineer in me maybe causes me to be pedantic about accuracy but I make no apology for that.

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Yes, I was confused by it also. As I couldn't believe someone would think it was all the same prop or whatever. But I appreciate that folk naturally don't know how films are made. The debate over on t

Here are three photos of the submarine car taken at Lotus East Inc, New York. They were taken around late 1976 early 1977. I do not own the copyright to these photos. Any probs I will take them down. 

And a photo of the press release of the time:  

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Yes, it was good to see all the posts. 

Balsa wood is used as a sandwich or core material in laminates, so possibly. But your racks are very nice and an excellent piece of workmanship. 

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I found them online when searching for the article about finding the prop wet Nellie in the Bahamas painted red covered in fairy lights. I remember reading it years ago how they negotiated the sale from a restaurant/bar owner.

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5 minutes ago, RichardJGC said:

Loving all these photos!

Am curious about the black strips under each side.

Yes, I'd not noticed those before. They'll be skids I assume. The divers struggled to manoeuvre the mini-sub, and I suppose it had to be made to be able to rest on the seabed at time whilst shots were set up etc. Not all of the wet-subs had them of course, as the dummy used to drop the mine was smooth underneath of course.

To reiterate to the point of obsession, there really was more than one of these props made, but only one 2-man wet sub version as I understand it.

The museum and Bond in Motion displays you see are mainly all copies. With varying degrees of accuracy. Even compared to the film prop, not the Esprit.

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37 minutes ago, Fridge said:

 

The museum and Bond in Motion displays you see are mainly all copies. With varying degrees of accuracy. Even compared to the film prop, not the Esprit.

Indeed, in fact its clear they are fake as they are too good! The sub after movie use is pictured as looking really knackered.

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Just now, Andyww said:

Indeed, in fact its clear they are fake as they are too good! The sub after movie use is pictured as looking really knackered.

Yes, and in fact, apart from miniatures which are almost always highly detailed and not exactly miniature - most are pretty big, as otherwise they do look like models, full-sized props are often quite makeshift. Like film sets. Just facades really. They have a very limited lifespan and are often destroyed after film production ceases. Such as the vehicles used in Bladerunner for instance.

Which is why it amuses me when car enthusiasts complain about details. Especially films made before the wide scale use of home video, when scenes were seconds long, and not seen again.

It would not surprise me if the ski racks on the Bond ET were simple balsawood cored mock-ups with boot laces or whatever. They were never meant to be anything more than a prop, and not for practical use.

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As a huge Gerry Anderson fan, One of the best examples of that are the 2 cars used in UFO.

They looked great but were only just driveable for short distances apparently in a straight line otherwise they fell apart. The gull-wing doors had no struts and had to be opened by the crew and held open out of shot. Ed Strakers car was found in a garden as an empty shell, someone bought it but dont think it was ever restored.

 

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This was one of our miniatures. Created to composite into a scene with CGI elements. It's often found that mixing miniatures and live action with CGI elements works best. As there is an added realness to scenes. Compared to purely animated scenes. Titanic is a good comparison, which used a mix of purely CGI which now looks dated, and live action, on huge film sets based in Spain.

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1 minute ago, Andyww said:

As a huge Gerry Anderson fan, One of the best examples of that are the 2 cars used in UFO.

They looked great but were only just driveable for short distances apparently in a straight line otherwise they fell apart. The gull-wing doors had no struts and had to be opened by the crew and held open out of shot. Ed Strakers car was found in a garden as an empty shell, someone bought it but dont think it was ever restored.

 

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It was used to create a mold of the body shell. Though as you say, I'm not sure if it was ever completed. The fella got a lot of flak from purests, who've probably never took a car apart before.

I actually saw that car when it was on a tour of Ford dealerships in the 1970s. It was quite basic even for then. With switches made from bottle tops etc. Still cool. And more importantly, worked as it was intended, as a prop.

 

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14 minutes ago, Fridge said:

Yes, and in fact, apart from miniatures which are almost always highly detailed and not exactly miniature - most are pretty big, as otherwise they do look like models, full-sized props are often quite makeshift. Like film sets. Just facades really. They have a very limited lifespan and are often destroyed after film production ceases. Such as the vehicles used in Bladerunner for instance.

Which is why it amuses me when car enthusiasts complain about details. Especially films made before the wide scale use of home video, when scenes were seconds long, and not seen again.

It would not surprise me if the ski racks on the Bond ET were simple balsawood cored mock-ups with boot laces or whatever. They were never meant to be anything more than a prop, and not for practical use.

Don't even go there! 😄😄😄

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I am genuinely surprised that you guys who are fixated on the Esprit in Bond films and such like have not spotted these things previously.

I mentioned the door thing above, or in the Facebook comments. I assume it is a safety device, like a diver latch to release the door. As I suspect the Wilmott-Breedon door handles were deemed inadequate for marine use, from a safety point of view. I cannot see it being a vane or strake for trim purposes.

That door opening has always been visible, even when I was a kid watching this.

Have you noticed the screw holes in the headlining above the driver's door if the Aston Martin DB5 in Goldfinger? The sun visors being removed to aid the exterior shots of the actor in the driving scenes no doubt. Similar mistakes are present in Skyfall.

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