Formula One

[exeterjeep]

Toto looked quite smug on the interview I have just seen on C4.

It has happened before that one or more cars miss the start of their last lap.

[C8RKH]

Merc 1 and 2 on Mediums, Verstappen 3rd on soft.  Could get quite tasty on Corner 1. If Max punts anyone off I cannot see the Stewards being too lenient given the recent events and words.

I thought the "booing" of Hamilton was distasteful but all due respect for his response - thanking the crowd for their support and stating that the booing really eggs him on lol.... Class.

 

Edited August 1, 2021 by Bravo73

[EldonZ]

We have Kyle Busch on this side of the pond. He is one of the best all around drivers I have seen. His attitude would always get him Boos after winning a race. He would just thank the fans and give them a big bow.

I'm curious to see how the strategy works out tomorrow. They are saying that if you start on the softs that you are going to have to make two stops. I wonder if RB will try to run long on the softs and switch to the hards. Also, would softs->med->med work out as a good strategy to over come the extra 30 seconds loss on the extra pitstop.

I guess we will know tomorrow. 😀

Later,
Eldon

[mg4lotus]

I'm not a fan of spoiler tactics, I'd rather see fair sporting competition. It reminds me of some of the things Michael Schumacher used to do and I didn't like that.

Toto Wolff said they weren't doing tactics and I did see one car in front of Hamilton before the start of the last lap but we weren't shown if there were other cars causing a hold up. It was down to Red Bull to get their cars across the line before the chequered flag and they failed for Perez.

[electro_boy]

Not a great quali for Red Bull. I think Red Bull are going to have to think hard about strategy.  It’s probable that Max can get in front of Bottas at the start but not very likely to get past Hamilton too unless he does a kamikaze move at turn 1. Gonna be an exciting start., looking forward the the race. 

[C8RKH]

@mg4lotusI think since your post the conspiracy theory re the "gamesmanship" has been disproven. However yet again we see F1 teams getting their strategies wrong. Red Bull put themselves behind the Mercs, they could have gone earlier, Max could have overtaken early in the setup lap etc.

[Sizona]

Fantastic race today! No spoilers tho...

[exeterjeep]

Agreed - watching it on the radio and laptop. Can't wait to see the highlights on C4. There must be a great image that could be taken at one point, not seen before.

[Chillidoggy]

Bottas guaranteeing himself a drive for next year……

[scotty435]

Sounds likes sour grapes from a Verstappen fan 🤷😂😂😂

[pete]

3 hours ago, Chillidoggy said:

Bottas guaranteeing himself a drive for next year……

he certainly helped his team mate

[PaulCP]

Horner turning into F1’s home grown spoilt brat

https://www.essentiallysports.com/f1-news-is-he-going-to-pay-the-bill-horner-responds-to-wolffs-apology/

[Bibs]

Vettel disqualified.

https://wtf1.com/post/vettel-has-been-officially-disqualified-from-hungarian-grand-prix/

[C8RKH]

Gutted for him and Aston Martin.  Personally, I'd have ripped the car apart to get the tanks out and hand squeezed the filters and everything.  I know the rules are the rules, but this is a real gut punch for Vettel and the team.

Great drive. It was superb to see him and Ocon at the front and both driving hard, but fair etc.  A glimpse of the old Vettel and I hope this reboots his confidence and see him up their again.

Also gutted for Max and Perez.  I think any suggestion Bottas did it on purpose really says more about the person suggesting it than anyone else.  Unfortunate situation but that really is racing and shit happens. Without it, we would have been in for a great battle, however, it is was actually one of the best F1 races I've seen in ages.

As for Horner @PaulCP, he is sounding more and more pathetic. Did he offer to pay the bill at any time when Max was regularly punting other drivers off the track? No. Of course not. Just pathetic comments to be honest. Him and Marko are becoming a bit of a circus act.

Edited August 1, 2021 by Bravo73

[tim_marra]

Bloody hell I agree with you 100% AGAIN!. You are on fire bud 🙂

[Chillidoggy]

I’ve been watching F1 for a very long time but never before have I seen only one car on the grid to start the race!

The race stewards held Bottas wholly to blame for the collision with Max and handed him a five-place grid penalty at the next race, and I read this morning that Vettel’s result will remain until any appeal. Full marks to him and Ocon. Finally a Hungarian GP that had stuff worth watching. They should just put a hose pipe on the track in future!

[LotusLeftLotusRight]

It was a ridiculous “strategy” to leave Hamilton out on intermediates for the restart. Who made that decision? It was clearly dry tyre conditions by then. Being the only car on the grid was really embarrassing for Mercedes. Hamilton said that the team was expecting imminent rain. Funny how the other 9 teams all disagreed, despite all having the same meteorology data. He would have won that race by a mile if they’d applied a bit of common sense.

[exeterjeep]

12 minutes ago, LotusLeftLotusRight said:

It was a ridiculous “strategy” to leave Hamilton out on intermediates for the restart

There was some discussion about that, a point was made with the Merc pit being the first in the pit lane, Merc may have had to let all the other cars past them as they may have found themselves having an unsafe release which would have got a penalty. 2 commentators thought this may have been the reason.

Any driver who made a move to slicks before the restart so take the restart on slicks would have done well. They could have changed tyres during the red flag period.

[C8RKH]

47 minutes ago, LotusLeftLotusRight said:

It was a ridiculous “strategy” to leave Hamilton out on intermediates for the restart. Who made that decision? It was clearly dry tyre conditions by then. Being the only car on the grid was really embarrassing for Mercedes. Hamilton said that the team was expecting imminent rain. Funny how the other 9 teams all disagreed, despite all having the same meteorology data. He would have won that race by a mile if they’d applied a bit of common sense.

It was explained that during the formation lap the team were not allowed to communicate to the driver so Lewis would have gone out with the agreed strategy in his head and the information used to support it. When the 2nd placed car jumped into the pits the rest basically followed and we ended up with what we had.  As it turns out it was one of the best races for ages so I for one am pleased with the decision on strategy!

I don't think they could have changed the tyres under the red flag period for anything other than a similar set as usually you can only change stuff then as a "like for like". Does anyone know for certain?

I'm keeping my fingers crossed for Vettel and Aston Martin.

[LotusLeftLotusRight]

Surely Lewis and the team must have discussed the best tyre strategy in the 25 minute break prior to the restart? Doing one lap on inters and coming in was not a great idea. As for the risk of being blocked in the pit lane, the team just had to have confidence in their pit crew, like all the others. He ended up last by a long way anyway, so it couldn’t really have been any worse.

[exeterjeep]

18 minutes ago, LotusLeftLotusRight said:

He ended up last by a long way anyway, so it couldn’t really have been any worse.

But it was a brilliant drive from Lewis and good to see close racing with Alonso, without taking each other off, and then a  getting on the podium...

[EldonZ]

@C8RKHTires are free during a red flag. What surprised me is that at this level they did not have someone going around the track to see what the track surface was like. I also read that they thought rain was coming again but obviously with everyone switching to drys, no one else thought this.

What I  saw is that all of the teams got it wrong during the red flag and the leader gets screwed in this case. Since NASCAR has several pitstops during a race, we see this kind of thing happen quite often.

Later,
Eldon

[exeterjeep]

16 minutes ago, EldonZ said:

Tires are free during a red flag

I thought that was the case, but regs  do change, they can also carry out work to repair the car eg Max's side boards, and in the past there have been similar repairs carried out. I think Lewis had this benefit earlier this year?

I seem to recall at a Monaco race when they stopped the race and one  of the guys had recently stopped for new tyres and then after the race was re-started the other had changed on the grid so the guy lost his advantage/or relative position..

[Techyd]

Slightly late to the comments but I did think Max's driving is again continuing to be on the wrong side of clean, when passing MSC, he ran very wide, keeping his foot in, building speed and passing him again (in track limits), but really he still managed to gain an advantage by running wide as it allowed him to go faster and then in the pass he swept across Schumacher who was giving him space and bumped in to him - just too bullish in my opinion.  When in the same race you had really great strong racing from Alonso and Lewis and Seb and Ocon it just shows it can be done!

 

[Chillidoggy]

Albeit with the Moaner-in-Chief saying posr-race that Alonso was ‘driving dangerously’.