USAndretti42 Posted July 4, 2020 Report Share Posted July 4, 2020 Here's some examples of why so many people want to reform the American police. Although it's hidden behind a paywall, there's enough legible here to give an idea of why there were demonstrations here. Quote S4 Elan, Elan +2S, Federal-spec, World Championship Edition S2 Esprit #42, S1 Elise, Excel SE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete Posted July 5, 2020 Report Share Posted July 5, 2020 can`t help but feel this has gone too far now. Ostracising people for not supporting a cause seems like reverse racism https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/hamilton-warns-silence-is-complicit-in-racism-as-f1-drivers-split-over-taking-knee/ar-BB16lHY4?li=BBoPWjQ&ocid=mailsignout Quote hindsight: the science that is never wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chillidoggy Posted July 5, 2020 Report Share Posted July 5, 2020 It's a submissive gesture and inappropriate. Hamilton has ignored the fact that some may not agree with it, or feel the same way as he does, yet it appears he's trying to force them into it. That won't help his cause. Quote Margate Exotics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LotusLeftLotusRight Posted July 5, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 5, 2020 Maybe he should refuse to race, if the others won’t do what he wants. At least that would give someone else a chance of winning. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold FFM C8RKH Posted July 5, 2020 Gold FFM Report Share Posted July 5, 2020 I think Hamilton has read this situation all wrong. I'm a fan of him as a racer but he needs to understand and respect other peoples point of views too otherwise he really is missing the point. I personally would not take the knee. Why? Nothing to do with racism, more to do that I don't like being "told" what to do and I don't need to make a futile gesture to prove to anyone I am no racist, I will just point to them to everyone I have met, worked with, or socialised with who will attest to the fact that race is never on my mind when I am dealing with them and given the industry I work in I meet, interact, work and socialise with people from all backgrounds, race and religions. If Hamilton and others want to take a knee then do it. All respect. But that does not mean that others who do not take the knee are automatically wrong or a racist. Symbolism is dangerous, especially when people feel they HAVE to display or face the consequences and that then leads to some serious trouble occurring. Shit, do these guys really learn nothing from history? 1 1 Quote I came into this world screaming and covered in someone elses blood. I'll probably leave it in the same way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold FFM Mysterae Posted July 5, 2020 Gold FFM Report Share Posted July 5, 2020 So now you can't say nothing or you're silence is complacent, and you can't say something because then you're virtue signalling? Okay... Quote Signature not working... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold FFM Barrykearley Posted July 5, 2020 Gold FFM Report Share Posted July 5, 2020 2 hours ago, C8RKH said: I think Hamilton has read this situation all wrong. I'm a fan of him as a racer but he needs to understand and respect other peoples point of views too otherwise he really is missing the point. I personally would not take the knee. Why? Nothing to do with racism, more to do that I don't like being "told" what to do and I don't need to make a futile gesture to prove to anyone I am no racist, I will just point to them to everyone I have met, worked with, or socialised with who will attest to the fact that race is never on my mind when I am dealing with them and given the industry I work in I meet, interact, work and socialise with people from all backgrounds, race and religions. If Hamilton and others want to take a knee then do it. All respect. But that does not mean that others who do not take the knee are automatically wrong or a racist. Hmmm 2 Quote Only here once Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold FFM C8RKH Posted July 5, 2020 Gold FFM Report Share Posted July 5, 2020 It's OK the CEO of Mercedes was just interviewed on Sky Sports before the F1 start and Mercedes have been against racism and exploitation for decades. So that'll be about the 7 decades then, obviously anything before then was just fake news. I don't have an issue with Mercedes nor the CEO's statement. After all the past is the past. But I do get pissed at them using the current political situation to try to score PR points. Oh and F1 have given a £1m to support anti racism / inclusion. Hmmm, let me see, a sport dominated by predominantly white millionaires and billionaires has given £1m. Somebody must have got the cleaner to check for petty cash behind the back of their sofa on their £multi-hundred million yacht.... Quote I came into this world screaming and covered in someone elses blood. I'll probably leave it in the same way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulCP Posted July 5, 2020 Report Share Posted July 5, 2020 As some of the other drivers said, you can support anti racism without having to prove it by dropping to one knee. I’ve always been a fan of Hamilton but his criticism of those who don’t drop to one knee, plus his evident anger during today’s race, are leading me to believe that he now has a massive attitude problem which is going to do him no good in the coming months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete Posted July 5, 2020 Report Share Posted July 5, 2020 Quote hindsight: the science that is never wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold FFM Popular Post mayevora Posted July 5, 2020 Gold FFM Popular Post Report Share Posted July 5, 2020 I’m actually bored of this whole subject now. Personally I don’t care if you’re black. I also don’t care if you’re white. I don’t care if you are straight. I don’t care if you are gay. I don’t care if you are religious. I don’t care if you are an atheist. If you are a law abiding nice person, then that’s enough for me to make my assumption on. 6 2 Quote Always do sober what you said you'd do drunk - that will teach us to keep mouth shut! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFO Posted July 5, 2020 Report Share Posted July 5, 2020 Hamilton should stay out of politics and concentrate on driving. Celebs who get political are simply out their depth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bibs Posted July 5, 2020 Report Share Posted July 5, 2020 This. 100%. Before long if that carries on there will be a rapper in the White House 1 Quote 88 Esprit NA, 89 Esprit Turbo SE, Evora, Evora S, Evora IPS, Evora S IPS, Evora S IPS SR, Evora 400, Elise S1, Elise S1 111s, Evora GT410 Sport Evora NA For forum issues, please contact the Moderators. I will aim to respond to emails/PM's Mon-Fri 9-6 GMT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold FFM Barrykearley Posted July 5, 2020 Gold FFM Report Share Posted July 5, 2020 47 minutes ago, mayevora said: If you are a law abiding nice person, then that’s enough for me to make my assumption on. Just saying that these days is offensive Quote Only here once Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold FFM Barrykearley Posted July 5, 2020 Gold FFM Report Share Posted July 5, 2020 https://www.facebook.com/groups/1592686077461605/permalink/3309682315761964/ 1 Quote Only here once Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francisco Franco Posted July 5, 2020 Report Share Posted July 5, 2020 Hamilton took his eye off the ball this weekend, too much time spent ordering t-shirts and telling other people what is expected of them. Hard to imagine Clark or Senna fucking around like that on a race week. Look at the good Senna done quietly without a fuss, and had the sense to employ his sister so he could concentrate on racing. No comparison Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim_marra Posted July 5, 2020 Report Share Posted July 5, 2020 2 hours ago, Bibs said: This. 100%. Before long if that carries on there will be a rapper in the White House Apparently Melania is quite handy with scissors, Sellotape and paper. Roll on Christmas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete Posted July 5, 2020 Report Share Posted July 5, 2020 4 hours ago, Bibs said: This. 100%. Before long if that carries on there will be a rapper in the White House We have had an actor and now a clown so go WEST young man 1 Quote hindsight: the science that is never wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulCP Posted July 7, 2020 Report Share Posted July 7, 2020 Stop the Planet, let me off FFS Grenfell Tower inquiry: Fire 'inextricably linked with race' https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53320082 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
march Posted July 7, 2020 Report Share Posted July 7, 2020 I wasn't going to post this but I think it is quite apt. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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