pete 1,629 Posted June 24 Report Share Posted June 24 On 20/06/2020 at 10:19, Seriouslylotus said: I would be more concerned with the dealers 'story' than the ECU dump. Lotus DO NOT fit used parts to production /sales cars, period They MAY re-use some parts during developement etc etc but a NEW car would not leave the factory with use parts fitted. Even if they did reuse an ECU they will have the ability to wipe it clean anyway. What is the 13th digit of the chassis number, Number 2 by chance???? i would trust what Dave says here rather than your dealer saying libellous things about lotus that he doesn`t know for certain. 1 Quote hindsight: the science that is never wrong Link to post Share on other sites
Gold FFM C8RKH 5,810 Posted June 24 Gold FFM Report Share Posted June 24 47 minutes ago, Exx said: Well, when the dealer told you that Lotus had financial issues and put used ECU in their new car .. it should matter for them Yeah, and I was told that Aliens were abducting people and doing experiments on them. Don;t be so naive, Lotus are not trying to sell you a car, but oh, wait, the dealer is!!!! Oh, and if I were Lotus I'd be suing the dealer and removing their franchise for libel!!! Be careful.... 1 Quote Alcohol. Sex. Tobacco. Drugs. Chocolate. Meh! NOTHING in this world is as addictive as an Evora +0. It's not for babies! The first guy to ride a bull for fun, was a true hero. The second man to follow him was truly nuts! Link to post Share on other sites
pete 1,629 Posted June 24 Report Share Posted June 24 45 minutes ago, Exx said: Well, when the dealer told you that Lotus had financial issues and put used ECU in their new car .. it should matter for them you dont know that. are you sure dealer hadn`t already downloaded the ecu and hadn`t said anything 1 Quote hindsight: the science that is never wrong Link to post Share on other sites
Gold FFM Barrykearley 6,446 Posted June 24 Gold FFM Report Share Posted June 24 3 minutes ago, C8RKH said: Yeah, and I was told that Aliens were abducting people and doing experiments on them. Don;t be so naive, Lotus are not trying to sell you a car, but oh, wait, the dealer is!!!! Yeah but what about that probing session you had Quote Only here once Link to post Share on other sites
Gold FFM C8RKH 5,810 Posted June 24 Gold FFM Report Share Posted June 24 (edited) That was pleasure. That red finger end was superb..... ET really stands for Erotic Therapy Edited June 24 by Bravo73 2 Quote Alcohol. Sex. Tobacco. Drugs. Chocolate. Meh! NOTHING in this world is as addictive as an Evora +0. It's not for babies! The first guy to ride a bull for fun, was a true hero. The second man to follow him was truly nuts! Link to post Share on other sites
Gold FFM Barrykearley 6,446 Posted June 24 Gold FFM Report Share Posted June 24 To be fair I’d never visit Area 51 in bright red pvc pants - but each to their own Quote Only here once Link to post Share on other sites
Gold FFM C8RKH 5,810 Posted June 24 Gold FFM Report Share Posted June 24 You're right, I was asking for trouble... 1 Quote Alcohol. Sex. Tobacco. Drugs. Chocolate. Meh! NOTHING in this world is as addictive as an Evora +0. It's not for babies! The first guy to ride a bull for fun, was a true hero. The second man to follow him was truly nuts! Link to post Share on other sites
Gold FFM Barrykearley 6,446 Posted June 24 Gold FFM Report Share Posted June 24 Anyway enough about anal probing. this whole thread just shows that individual dealers can behave very badly indeed 1 Quote Only here once Link to post Share on other sites
Gold FFM Escape 743 Posted June 25 Gold FFM Report Share Posted June 25 On 20/06/2020 at 14:20, Exx said: That s really strange. I have every bills, the full history looks fine, full maintenance done by the same Lotus dealer and he is a respected one in France. He s not selling the car so he has really no interest to lie. The car is fine i have just tested it. Just that ECU dump .. it can t be just an error from ECU or software who read it ? I know that Lotus has already statued that different software can cause various bug in data rendering As the dealer is getting some flak, some clarifications are in order: was the ECU-dump done by the same (respected) dealer as the maintenance, or by a different dealer? Was/is the car sold by a dealer or privately? As above, Lotus is not to blame, especially if it is a privately sold car. It would be different if it was Lotus approved or something. Also as above, if you liked the car, I do not understand how 50 or70k miles could be a problem. Unles you're more concerned about resale value than actually driving and enjoying the car? The more miles I can put on my Espirt, the happier it makes me, adding up the smiles per galon. Filip 1 Quote I have made many mistakes in my life. Buying a multiple Lotus is not one of them. Link to post Share on other sites
Gold FFM C8RKH 5,810 Posted June 25 Gold FFM Report Share Posted June 25 I don't think the dealer is getting any "flak" as I'm not sure the dealer has been disclosed. The point that is being hammered home is that this is NOT an issue with Lotus as Lotus is not selling the car. Some key questions need to be asked of the dealer and some straight answers are needed. The Dealer has suggested that Lotus put "used" parts on their car and that is their explanation for the discrepancy. The point of view being passed back to the OP is that is a nonsense answer and is bollocks. It is for the OP to decide whether he is happy and comfortable with the Dealers answers and as it is the OP's money he needs to make the decision to buy or not, based upon what he believes is to be true and the condition of the car. So given all the information and point of views, the OP needs to get off the shelf and either buy the car and be happy, or walk away and be happy. No one on here is qualified nor armed with the facts to make the decision for him. That's all. Quote Alcohol. Sex. Tobacco. Drugs. Chocolate. Meh! NOTHING in this world is as addictive as an Evora +0. It's not for babies! The first guy to ride a bull for fun, was a true hero. The second man to follow him was truly nuts! Link to post Share on other sites
Exx 3 Posted June 25 Author Report Share Posted June 25 (edited) Lot of news today i will explain tomorrow, but Lotus has taken their responsabilities, i m too tired right now and i m just coming back from a looong trip to book a Sport 350 with a very few miles. My pockets are now so much lighter ... that s the bad point Edited June 25 by Exx 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gold FFM C8RKH 5,810 Posted June 25 Gold FFM Report Share Posted June 25 2 minutes ago, Exx said: My pockets are now so much lighter ... that s the bad point The good point is you have an Exige coming. Well done! Quote Alcohol. Sex. Tobacco. Drugs. Chocolate. Meh! NOTHING in this world is as addictive as an Evora +0. It's not for babies! The first guy to ride a bull for fun, was a true hero. The second man to follow him was truly nuts! Link to post Share on other sites
Exx 3 Posted June 26 Author Report Share Posted June 26 (edited) So yesterday i got an email from Lotus telling me that they are looking into the information and will reply me later I had also a call from the broker (the private owner is not selling me directly the car) .. he has some news, i did not understand everything but it seems than : Dealer has not done the perf data in the right way so possibility the mileage of the ECU dump is not right Lotus told him they want to see themselves the vehicle in order to check for real mileage and will then provide an official certificat of it (so as i don t think there is a french Lotus entity .. i dont know if they will bring the car to the UK ?) TBC but for me it s over, as i said, but i m still curious to know the end of that story Edited June 26 by Exx Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hangar 111 296 Posted June 26 Report Share Posted June 26 (edited) 2 hours ago, Exx said: Dealer has not done the perf data in the right way so possibility the mileage of the ECU dump is not right Not sure that is even possible... Edit to add: But congratulations on your new purchase Dave Edited June 26 by Hangar 111 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gold FFM C8RKH 5,810 Posted June 26 Gold FFM Report Share Posted June 26 All still sounds very dubious to me - you connect the cable to the car. You select the software. You extract the data. There's definitely, in my very humble but not so conclusive opinion, something not right here with the explanations to date. Quote Alcohol. Sex. Tobacco. Drugs. Chocolate. Meh! NOTHING in this world is as addictive as an Evora +0. It's not for babies! The first guy to ride a bull for fun, was a true hero. The second man to follow him was truly nuts! Link to post Share on other sites
Popular Post Hangar 111 296 Posted June 26 Popular Post Report Share Posted June 26 To add to the fun, looking at another car I have here, there is a difference between ECU and IP... I'll do some more research, but it's not going to be imminent, got lots and lots of paying work to do! (And yes, in this instance, road testing a V6 Cup EX460 is work! ) Dave 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mark030358 586 Posted June 26 Report Share Posted June 26 1 hour ago, Hangar 111 said: And yes, in this instance, road testing a V6 Cup EX460 is work! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gold FFM C8RKH 5,810 Posted June 26 Gold FFM Report Share Posted June 26 I'd hate to have your job @Hangar 111, you must go home depressed every night. Hand in your notice and I'll be down there to take over from you on Monday!!! To the car and the dumps - for me, it is not the fact that the figures are different or "look funny" - the issue for me is that the responses/answers from the dealer/broker just have a hint of a smell of something that came out of the rear end of a bull! I mean, it is always better to say "I'm sorry I don't know the answer but will try to find out for you" rather than creating some cock and bull response to deflect elsewhere etc. Although I have to admit the last time I was quizzed by the Police I am sure my answer was "honest officer, I have no idea. I was just sat 'ere minding me own business when then this big geezer covered in bling came and did it!. Did what said the officer? "Did whatever it was you think I did" said I. Quote Alcohol. Sex. Tobacco. Drugs. Chocolate. Meh! NOTHING in this world is as addictive as an Evora +0. It's not for babies! The first guy to ride a bull for fun, was a true hero. The second man to follow him was truly nuts! Link to post Share on other sites
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