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Hey everyone,

Lifelong Lotus fan here. Norfolk born, and a really kind neighbour brought them home- he was a Lotus Dealership Sales Person (are you here Mr W?). He gave us a blast in every car, gave me loads of goodies. Pure joy for a primary school child.

 

I was first introduced to Lotus through a Calypso Red S3 turbo. It burnt into my mind.

And then really loved the look of the X180.

In my young adult years I then saw the Elise emerge. The classic light is fast philosophy bit me hard. Loved the simplicity.

The Exige seemed never to tick my boxes...too much of everything.

And when the Evora came out it immediately caught me as an aspirational Lotus of my adult generation.

 

Now it might be so that personal circumstance allows me a one time life purchase of my dream cars.

And after years of thinking, youtube and articles Im still no further than wanting them all.

THIS is where I need all your advice...Which one!?

 

My current stand points-

- it WILL be cherished, dry use, used but not ragged, never ever sold.

- I have generally modest means. I do service my cars mostly myself, and would take great pleasure in doing so to my purchase- unless it would severely dent its value.

- Wifey thinks Esprits are ugly, Elises too small, thinks Evora is sexy.

- Esprit feels more special as its a classic, Evora seems (self denigrating) too fancy and Elise more driver than the Esprit, but lacks the V sound.

- Im 6ft3.

 

Thanks for the long read. I sincerely do hope I join you all as an owner soon!

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4 hours ago, SilverFoxApparently said:

Wifey thinks Esprits are ugly, Elises too small, thinks Evora is 

So Esprit and Elise = a secret affair with another lover.

Evora = a threesome...

 

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The thing is .... when you buy one Lotus, you invariably end up buying a second, so why not get an Esprit and an Evora :)

12 hours ago, SilverFoxApparently said:

I do service my cars mostly myself, and would take great pleasure in doing so to my purchase- unless it would severely dent its value.

I would have thought that this would be easier for the Esprit than the Evora as analogue rather than digital,  and wouldn't effect the Esprit's value (assuming done well), although your height may be an issue for the earlier cars. 

Go try both cars on your own first.

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Think of an Esprit as a pretty time consuming, occasionally exasperating, hobby.  Successful home maintenence requires good mechanical skills and a deft touch, otherwise parts are easy to damage and threads easy to strip.

If that's not for you, I'd get an Evora.      

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Does sound like you need an Evora. The S1 is seriously good looking, sublime to drive and modern, refined enough to use for trips and tours.

Don’t worry, it still has enough foibles to make it a ‘proper’ Lotus and there will be plenty of things for you to a be fiddling with if that’s your thing. It’s also a car that will be much admired wherever you go.

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Evora is an analogue car in a digital age. Effectively it is a modern Esprit, with added practicality. 

Normally aspirated is all you need and it can be argued is the best Evora of the bunch for pure driving pleasure. 

NA will likely be depreciation-free over say 5 years. 

Some on here have both Esprit and Evora. Many have said they use Esprit much less once Evora joined the fold.

Love Esprit by the way - but it would be a more challenging ownership experience and you really would have to love it. Same goes for any classic car, be it Lotus, Aston, Jaguar, Porsche etc.....The beauty of Evora is you are getting a classic sports car in a modern package. You cannot say that about F-type, DB11, 997, 991 (911) etc 

Justin 

 

 

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I think your height is going to be a limiting factor with an Esprit or Elise, but not with an Evora.  The Evora has all the Lotus DNA of the other cars and has practicality, style, modern and mostly reliable underpinnings, rarity, low depreciation.

The regular maintenance is almost all DIY-able but also not that expensive if you use an independent Lotus specialist or stick within the recent dealer (lower) fixed price service packages.

Non-regular maintenance can be a bit of a pain.  Some parts are hard to find or surprisingly expensive (eg headlight assembly over £1000).  The internal packaging means everything is very tight, so for example changing a headlight bulb means taking the front wheel arch liner off and risking skinning your knuckles or enlisting a small child (or thin-handed partner) to help :) 

But a well loved S1 shouldn't have too much go wrong.  Mine's had a starter motor fail and a front indicator LED fail (but creatively repaired for a lot less than the replacement £1000 unit) in 9 years of ownership.  The NA is cheaper to run and on real world roads not that different to an S.

Happy hunting!

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It will probably hinge on your annual mileage and how you drive your motors. 

In my experience, any old sports car driven as if it were new will require a lot of expenditure. My Excel has cost far more to run than my Evora but I suspect if I had only used Excel for summer weekends, it would have been very different.

I don't think Esprit would be easier to run than Evora for, say, 20,000 miles in 24 months in all weathers. If you only want the Lotus for 'best', frankly any Lotus will do. 

I am nearly 6'3 and have owned every variant of Esprit (except V8) with no issue.

Justin 

 

 

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Now I would love an Evora and will have one, one day, but as @Bazza 907 says an Esprit is iconic, mine has been sitting on the drive in the rain, sun etc for the past 6 months, it is usually in the garage but the Elan has been in there at the moment. 
I use it as daily in the summer only ever let me down once (clutch slave cylinder) apart from that it has been serviced by GST or Sparkles and never had a problem. The worse thing about it is you can pop down the local shop and end up coming back 2 hours later because everyone wants to talk to you. 

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Get an Evora N/A as above posts have said, you won't regret it or an S if you really need that extra grunt (and running costs!)

Then, in a few years get an Elise to go with it.  Frankly, I'd wish I'd kept hold of my Evora, currently in an Elise which is staying on my driveway for as long as possible!  Once I don't need such a big family wagon, I'll look at switching my daily to Evora again or dare I say it, whatever else Lotus may have released by then...

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The other consideration is that Esprit are presently rising in value, fairly rapidly in the last 5 years or so. You may wish to decide now if an Esprit is for you; they may be out of reach in a few years time. Or not; but something to add to the confusing situation already created by the posts above. 

When Esprit was conceived, a rather tall chap was influential at Lotus Cars and he was determined he would fit the new car, as he struggled in a Europa. I suspect you will be fine in any Esprit at 6'3. 

I would say Evora NA is your safe choice. Highly unlikely to be costly to run and if you don't like the driving experience, that says more about you than the car. Esprit certainly is the 'wow' car but may give more to think about maintenance wise. Evora NA is near the bottom of the depreciation curve and may even start to nip up for the best examples. Esprit may make you money.

Justin

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The Evora is both beautiful and lovely to drive along with perfect balance where the Esprit is as beautiful only more raw but also iconic.

I’ve owned both and for me if both were in a car park I would be magnetised towards the Esprit all day long.

Mind as a pure driving pleasure in the summer it would be a M100 Elan 😉

My advice is go to a specialist and drive both, I suspect you will pick the Evora as it feels modern and well constructed but given the chance to have a decent drive in the Esprit a bond ( excuse the pun) will soon develop followed by that addiction for life 😁

Dave :) 

Do or do not, there is no try! 

 

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Gosh, the further replies sound exactly like whats in my mind.

Id truly appreciate and understand the associated "fun" of looking after a classic. And Id certainly get an Esprit with perfect (in consideration) history, and hopefully a particular edition type.

I cant imagine my mileage being more than 1500 a year...honestly. A Lotus just isnt a daily driver to me.

And the flipside of a possibly appreciating investment is an Evora; easier to maintain and likely to hold value, maybe not appreciate as much.

 

The two thought out perspectives are

- Childhood dream car, bought as investment.

- More justifiable to use, pragmatic decision.

 

It really will be a case of sit in each now. 

Wow factor vs Sound

 

Am I making sense?

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