Coronavirus

[Barrykearley]

This blokes getting out of hand now

[oilmagnet477]

Just seen this from the Telegraph on youtube.

Puts things into perspective somewhat. 

Couple diagnosed with 3 diseases - 1 of which was CV - NO ANTIBIOTIC treatment, just let the body's immune system take care of it (all be it in a controlled environment).

I obviously don't want to diminish the impact of suffering from this disease or worse still dying from it but don't we all need to get a grip. I won't be surprised, after the hysteria dies down if CV doesn't just become another 'normal' disease and risk, much like flu is today. Surely, on a global scale, we need exposure amongst the general population to build up a natural immunity?

Or am I way off?

[Bibs]

I've no doubt there will be a vaccine along very soon, surely there are bio companies around the globe working on this. 

That said, 400,000 people a year die of flu still. 

[C8RKH]

Maybe the one who made the virus in the first place. 😂😂😂

[LotusLeftLotusRight]

My wife read somewhere that vaccination trials might start end of April. So that’s another couple of months before we can consider anything medical being the solution. Obviously it would then take longer to approve, manufacture, distribute and administer to the general public.

[oilmagnet477]

If Trials are to start in April - I assume: -

1. They need a number of (willing?) subjects to test out the vaccine and

2. There is a risk that it could all go horribly wrong and the 'testees' (no, not your balls!) could get the disease and possibly die?

If my assumptions are right, then we need a show of leadership to promote and inspire confidence in the general population.

Therefore I happily nominate as the first test group:

1. Boris Johnson

2. Jeremy Corbyn

3. Nicola Sturgeon

4. Donald Trump

5. Harry and Megan

6. Phillip Schofield

7. Blair and Major (just coz they deserve it)

8. Piers Morgan

9. Ant and Dec

10. Stock, Aitken and Waterman (Just unforgiveable what they did!)

That should make it interesting..........

 

 

 

 

[Toeside]

Cheesed off! This hysteria has caused the Geneva motor show to be cancelled ............. Flights hotel all booked months ago. 

It is just a flu virus. We aren't told every day how many people have succumbed to 'normal' flu

[pete]

 

[Toeside]

Cheesed off! This hysteria has caused the Geneva motor show to be cancelled ............. Flights hotel all booked months ago. 

It is just a flu virus. We aren't told every day how many people have succumbed to 'normal' flu

Trying to cheer myself up!

[andydclements]

1 hour ago, oilmagnet477 said:

....... was CV - NO ANTIBIOTIC treatment, just let the body's immune system take care of it (all be it in a controlled environment).

I obviously don't want to diminish the impact of suffering from this disease or worse still dying from it but don't we all need to get a grip. I won't be surprised, after the hysteria dies down if CV doesn't just become another 'normal' disease and risk, much like flu is today. Surely, on a global scale, we need exposure amongst the general population to build up a natural immunity?

Or am I way off?

Being a virus, antibiotics wouldn't be an option, they are normally used against bacteria. There are anti-viral drugs but CV is so new that there's no evidence that any work against it.

He mentioned they has Pneumonia, as though it's a disease in itself. It's more of a symptom. Your body gets an infection in the lung and your body ends up building up fluid in the lung, that is the pneumonia. As such, how that's dealt with depends on the cause, if the cause was CV then again antibiotics aren't an option, but if it was a bacteria then they may be. Double pneumonia meaning fluid building up in both lungs.

 

But it was the Telegraph, so relatively accurate for them isn't it?

 

 

The "problem" with CV is that it's new, none of us have an existing or inherited immunity. Like a new computer virus that's so new and innovative that none of the AV programmes have been designed to find it.

That is a problem. Think of immunity as control rods in a nuclear reactor, Mumps is OK as long as most people  are vaccinated / immune, we're now seeing trends where whole groups haven't been vaccinated, that means it can spread from vulnerable person to vulnerable person. If you have lots of immune people then the disease is less able to spread because most people you'd come into contact with wouldn't be able to pass on the disease as they're body would have irradiated it as soon as it tried to enter (like a control rod in a nuclear reaction).

 

So, if CV was an old established disease like Mumps, it wouldn't be too bad, but currently it's like there are no control rods , so it could go to chain-reaction. The good news is that it's not 100% fatal.

[Toeside]

Isn't that the case with all seasonal flu though? The flu vaccine only increases the chance of being immune to a flu virus it doesn't guarantee protection as each virus type mutates.

Don't get me started with the Nuclear power analogy btw 😂 

[oilmagnet477]

Massive problem with population on the Planet 1bn in 1900 - 7.8bn in 2020

Let nature do its thing. One way to shut up the Climate Change whinge bags

[LotusLeftLotusRight]

Channel 4 News reporter stating no vaccine available to the public for 12 - 18 months, according to US scientists. There won’t be many of us left by then to see the launch of the next new Lotus.

[Toeside]

Or people to build, export or maintain them!........... we're all doomed!      

[alias23]

Seems as though it is becoming worse than flu. 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/28/coronavirus-truth-myths-flu-covid-19-face-masks

[Bibs]

Quote

One of the worst days so far for Coronavirus was the 10th of February. On that day, 108 persons in CHINA died of Coronavirus.

BUT, on the same day 26,283 people died of Cancer

24,641 people died of Heart Disease

4,300 people died of Diabetes and on that day, Suicide, unfortunately, took more lives than the virus did, by 28 times.

Moreover, Mosquitoes kill 2,740 people every day, HUMANS kill 1,300 fellow humans every day and Snakes kill 137 people every day.

Keep doing your stuff people, and wash your hands.

 

[Mark Blanchard]

I've heard sale of Corona beer have taken a hit too.  There are some seriously stupid people out there.

4 hours ago, oilmagnet477 said:

Just seen this from the Telegraph on youtube.

 

Couple diagnosed with 3 diseases - 1 of which was CV - NO ANTIBIOTIC treatment, just let the body's immune system take care of it (all be it in a controlled environment).

I obviously don't want to diminish the impact of suffering from this disease or worse still dying from it but don't we all need to get a grip. I won't be surprised, after the hysteria dies down if CV doesn't just become another 'normal' disease and risk, much like flu is today. Surely, on a global scale, we need exposure amongst the general population to build up a natural immunity?

Or am I way off?

Ant, you have 666 likes at the moment!

[ramjet]

6 hours ago, oilmagnet477 said:

Massive problem with population on the Planet 1bn in 1900 - 7.8bn in 2020

Let nature do its thing. One way to shut up the Climate Change whinge bags

I have an opinion about the planet.

Mother Nature says to herself,

"If you guys won't control the population numbers, I will. Here you go. Have this newbie."

[Steven162]

More perspective, as I wrote in my "I'm in China thread" I believe there are more people alive in China than would have been if the virus had not come.

Approximately 260,000 people die on the roads in China per annum, assuming a reduction of 66% of road deaths for February (very conservative, I estimate road traffic is about 10% of normal) over 7000 people have not died on the roads, versus 3000 people dead of the virus.

Of course I am not belittling the virus, its the reason I am stuck in my apartment and have only worked 1 day in the last 5 weeks.

[910Esprit]

6 hours ago, ramjet said:

"If you guys won't control the population numbers, I will. Here you go. Have this newbie."

and when this approach fails, we'll no doubt recieve a giant fireball from space to sort things out!

Interesting thought on the RTA statistics. 

[oilmagnet477]

11 hours ago, Mark Blanchard said:

Ant, you have 666 likes at the moment!

Given that my Elite's registration is THD 666R, that would seem somewhat appropriate!

@Bibs can you do something so I can't get any more please? 

[C8RKH]

14 hours ago, andydclements said:

So, if CV was an old established disease like Mumps, it wouldn't be too bad, but currently it's like there are no control rods , so it could go to chain-reaction

So it's like that Zombie series on Netflix. Wonder if that's the next phase?

Better get your cricket and baseball bats modified with nails and chains. According to the series a sharp blow to the temple does it  Job done.

I blame the media for the hype. Fine to report the facts, but all this other stuff is just feeding hysteria. One good side effect is we're not talking Brexit or austerity anywhere near enough.

I'm just going to have a cup of tea and get on with everything and assume the reason I'm feeling shit today is that I have a cold/the flu.... 👀

 

[Sparky]

On a macro scale, I'm firmly in the corner of those believing this is blown out of all proportion.  However, I'm a baaad asthmatic, no stranger to emergency treatment and even intensive care, so I'm in that tiny percentage at risk of death if I contract the virus.  Therefore, somewhat ambivalent!  We just need common sense, not panic.

And no, none of you can have my GT3.

[red vtec]

The media do stir it, but on the other hand areas of countries are not put in shut down for no reason. I find it quite worrying. I heard on the radio that there was some report that some already affected and recovered had caught it again. 

All this talk of a cure being found soon, really? 

[C8RKH]

1 hour ago, red vtec said:

I find it quite worrying

Don't worry about stuff you can't control or influence, you'll die of a heart attack that way! This is what drives the hysteria. You know, people can catch a cold, the flu, then another cold and then finally a flu virus all in one season. Most live. A small number don't. And that has been happening every year since millenia.  A neighbour of mine who smokes 40 cigarettes a day, and has done for over 25 years, told me this morning they were worried about the health implications of the Corona virus. I just laughed in his face and said WTF, really?  People really are silly at times.

Just be sensible, wash your hands, don't kiss the postman or anyone else and carry on with life as normal.