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31 minutes ago, C8RKH said:

that way, they will not transmit COVID to the their residents

There is absolutely no evidence to support that vaccinated people will transmit the virus less than anybody else. The only thing the vaccination is supposed to do is minimise the effects of the disease, and no research can support reduced transmission yet, and indeed that was never stated. It might be a good side effect, but no data. Indeed, the experts have explicitly said this.

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Now there is a brilliant idea. I have been having some texts with a member on here who has lost someone last week to this. My bet is Chris Whitty is probably more qualified than anyone to tell

This sign should me made mandatory in all public spaces!! 

Daisy did her first 4 hr vaccination shift today. 3 hrs prep and paperwork - 1 hour jabbing. 20 folks done. She goes again Sunday  one very proud Dad today

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So here’s a question. Today Boris announced that by Autumn everyone will have been ‘offered’ the vaccine. Good news.

But, what happens if a decent percentage of people decline the offer for some reason leaving plenty of the population still vulnerable to getting Covid? Will we be left wearing masks, social distancing and living under continuing restrictions because the government claims that there are still enough vulnerable folk out there to potentially overrun the NHS?

Or do we say to those people, sorry, you’re on your own if you declined the free, potentially lifesaving vaccination you were offered...

Not worth starting anything now...🍺

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Neil, I personally think they should bring the passport option in. You don’t want a vaccine, fine but you aren’t coming to the pub or restaurant I am going to. 
 

I had this with one of my employees who is odd and him and his Dad read shit on the internet too much. I said no vaccine then best you go look for a new job. To be fair I haven’t heard back from him but I mean it. 
 

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1 minute ago, Dan E said:

I said no vaccine then best you go look for a new job. To be fair I haven’t heard back from him but I mean it. 

I'd like a job please - I'll get a vaccine, get my papers in order ... what's the rate ?

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7 minutes ago, eeyoreish said:

So here’s a question. Today Boris announced that by Autumn everyone will have been ‘offered’ the vaccine. Good news.

But, what happens if a decent percentage of people decline the offer for some reason leaving plenty of the population still vulnerable to getting Covid? Will we be left wearing masks, social distancing and living under continuing restrictions because the government claims that there are still enough vulnerable folk out there to potentially overrun the NHS?

Or do we say to those people, sorry, you’re on your own if you declined the free, potentially lifesaving vaccination you were offered...

We do that now with the likes of measles, the problem is that not everybody who does have the vaccine will be immune,  so some who do opt to protect themselves that way may still end up contracting it.

If they did some sort of ID for having had the immunisation, you know the fake ones will be in the hands of people before the real ones.

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6 minutes ago, eeyoreish said:

Or do we say to those people, sorry, you’re on your own if you declined the free, potentially lifesaving vaccination you were offered

Maybe, but, there are reasons why you might not want to be part of the stage 3 trial(because that is what it is), especially if you are allergic to fish(one example)

This is worthy of a read.

https://sebastianrushworth.com/2021/01/10/are-the-covid-vaccines-safe-and-effective/

Here are last two paragraphs of this very complete summary:

Ok, let’s wrap up. So all three vaccines appear to be highly effective at preventing covid-19, although both the Pfizer vaccine and the Moderna vaccine are clearly more effective than the Astra-Zeneca vaccine. In terms of safety, I have significant concerns about the Astra-Zeneca vaccine, considering that there is a signal suggesting that it increases your risk of developing transverse myelitis by a hundredfold or more. Future research will have to show whether that is a real risk or not. I also have concerns about the Pfizer vaccine, since there was a 60% increase in severe adverse events among those taking the vaccine, an issue that Pfizer hasn’t bothered to address at all, and I am also concerned about the fact that Pfizer does not provide a detailed breakdown of adverse events, which makes it impossible to see if there is anything in there that we should be worried about. The Moderna vaccine does appear to be safe however, based on the data available up to now.

One final point. None of these studies tell us whether the vaccines are safe and effective for children. It would be unethical to start vaccinating children without first having made sure that it’s safe, especially considering that the risk to children from covid is infinitesimal. The same applies to pregnant and breastfeeding women, people with immune disorders, and people with severe allergies. If you belong to one of these groups, you should probably think extra long and hard before getting vaccinated, because these groups were not represented in the studies, and it is therefore not clear that the benefits outweigh the harms.

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1 minute ago, thebartman said:

I'd like a job please - I'll get a vaccine, get my papers in order ... what's the rate ?

He is on 32 million a year with share options and use of the company villa in the South of France 

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2 hours ago, Clive59 said:

It would be unethical to start vaccinating children without first having made sure that it’s safe, especially considering that the risk to children from covid is infinitesimal. 

Agree. Children are in the lowest or essentially no risk category. There is no reason to vaccinate them if they are unsure whether the vaccine is safe for children. 

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I saw a medical doctor claiming as the "vaccine" doesn't stop infection spreading but only reduces the symptoms by the medical definition this is not a vaccine but a medical treatment.

Does anyone know if this is a true thing on both counts?

 

Is it not a vaccine?

 

Does it stop infection spreading?

 

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@Buddsy, the definition of the efficacy is how much it stops people contracting the disease, not how much it allows them to become asymptomatic. So that claim is disproved by the various studies that allowed the vaccines to be approved. 

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2 minutes ago, andydclements said:

@Buddsy, the definition of the efficacy is how much it stops people contracting the disease, not how much it allows them to become asymptomatic. So that claim is disproved by the various studies that allowed the vaccines to be approved. 

Im not sure what you mean? Definition of the efficacy? I was asking if this could truly a be called a vaccine?

And if it reduces the spread of infection?

 

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Not a doctor etc, but my laymans understanding is that a vaccine works by allowing your body to identify the disease. Therefore by definition surely you have to have "caught it" before your body can attack it.

Therefore, surely no vaccine prevents you from "getting a disease" it just sets you up to deal with it before it does a number on you. In this case it rather seems that even post vaccine some people will still see effects of the disease, but they will be less than otherwise.

Because of the vaccine those who are immunised will deal with the disease quicker, as such will have it for a shorter time, will therefore not spread it to as many people and therefore it should reduce the spread of the disease.

Well, that's my logic anyway.

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The vaccine works by allowing your body to identify some markers as being alien, those markers belong to the virus. Your body learns that finding those means it's something to attack. You haven't caught the virus but you have learned what to attack.

 

Think army training, you get told the uniform the enemy wear, you learn to attack at any sighting of that uniform, doesn't mean you've been invaded.

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18 hours ago, Techyd said:

It is in my mind, highly suspicious....

That the WHO have not been allowed in to investigate the virus origins is very concerning, I'm sure many of you have read this article from last month?? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-55364445

China is very tightly controlled country so this may simply be the government continuing to exercise its unblinkered controlling policies over its media, foreign media access and its general population.   But frankly, from where I'm sitting, it's really difficult to conclude anything but a cover up!! 

 

I have been saying for months that it is highly suspicious that Chinese and other Asian countries have by far the lowest transmission rate and lowest fatalities. You look at Japan. twice the population of the UK, full testing and only 294k cases with 3989 deaths. Korea, Virtually the same population of the UK 30k cases, 501 deaths (Yes 501). Though China is controlling its information I suspect it is not because many more have died than stated, I think its because its a very low figure and they know how suspicious that looks at the Point of Origin!

If you genetically engineer a weapon, you aim it at those you want to kill. Western, Males, Black (Incl Indian etc) Males. Middle age upwards as they are the ruling classes with the most say! Especially in countries like India and Pakistan who have a Patriachal society. But you also need to build in a level of immunity for your own Society and race.

I know its a bit of a conspiracy theory but its one that just seems obvious, non? 

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44 minutes ago, andydclements said:

as being alien

Don't tell Buddsy about the aliens! :lol:

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13 minutes ago, Bibs said:

Don't tell Buddsy about the aliens! :lol:

Have no fear I dont believe in aliens

 

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41 minutes ago, Kimbers said:

 

If you genetically engineer a weapon, you aim it at those you want to kill. Western, Males, Black (Incl Indian etc) Males. Middle age upwards as they are the ruling classes with the most say! Especially in countries like India and Pakistan who have a Patriachal society.
 

 

You really think the perpetrators would want to be left with the kids?

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Nice an malleable, alot more liberal, not a fucking clue....yes.

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Oh I don't think there's any malicious intent going on, only just that it seems likely to have been made made as part of the institute of virology's work in to SARS as part of developing vaccinations.  IF it is man made, I would think this is the result of an accident / leak of the virus.

In terms of the low infection rates in China, we saw that lockdown meant lockdown - buildings were provided food for 14 days and then sealed.  There was no going out.  That, coupled with their already segmented cities, where you require passes to move between districts they were quickly able to contain the spread.

 

What's the alternative?  Tomorrow Never Dies?! 🤯

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Re the Asia infection rates, you'd expect them to be slightly lower than Europe etc as it's now part of common courtesy for people to wear masks/ face covering, following the SARS outbreaks, so disease-spread measures we in Europe etc are only recently starting to adopt (or some of us are), were already in place there.

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