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2 hours ago, Barrykearley said:

What would be interesting is how many AZ vaccines the eu are sat on.

Just saw on the news an EU chap saying that if AZ had delivered the promised doses, they would have the same level of vaccinations completed as the UK. The reporter then pointed out that they are sat on lots of vaccines that they aren't using... 'good point' was the response. They are a real joke at the moment.

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EU always forgets that AZ never promised the doses but promised to use "reasonable best efforts" to deliver them. That has been spun by EU into AZ breach of contract when in fact there is no such thing. The reason EU has to rely on confiscation or export control/ban laws is that EU has no basis in contract to demand the doses. 

EU also forgets that UK planned months in advance, spent upfront money, provided expertise and other assistance to AZ when there was no assurance that the vaccine would work. UK thus benefits from that investment, and rightly so.

EU, which did nothing, apart from ordering doses late, wants the same treatment that the UK gets, in the name of "reciprocity" and "fairness". The sheer cheek of it is truly outrageous and spectacularly ridiculous. And yet, Ursula Von der Lying thinks EU is acting reasonably and fairly; utterly delusional. 

 

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7 hours ago, SFO said:

EU also forgets that UK planned months in advance, spent upfront money, provided expertise and other assistance to AZ when there was no assurance that the vaccine would work. UK thus benefits from that investment, and rightly so.

 

They also forget that if it wasn't for this, and if we'd done what the EU did there wouldn't be a bloody vaccine to argue over. Remind me how vaccines did Germany and France develop?

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French politicians (who are very much not representative of the French people) are some of the most gutless, spineless, untrustworthy and ungracious twits in the world.

They have an air of entitlement through the privileged bubble they were born into and serve. 

Such a shame as France and the French are a warm, welcoming people and country in general.

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No politician is goimg to put their hand up and say we f***** u* - Its not part of the job.  If the EU had a case, AZ would have been in court long ago.  This is purely around saving face (and attempting to procure additional supply in an underhand manner).  I hope the european population understand the full facts.

Hopefully we have enough vaccine to get the 2nd doses done for the more vulnerable folk.   In due course, we can take advantage by forging closer trading ties with the other nations that are going to be stiffed by the EU.   Every cloud....

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21 minutes ago, Colin P said:

They also forget that if it wasn't for this, and if we'd done what the EU did there wouldn't be a bloody vaccine to argue over. Remind me how vaccines did Germany and France develop?

The Germans developed the Pfizer vaccine at their Biontech subsidiary. Funny how AZ gets all the flak though, just because the other manufacturers are dragging their heels. 2 weeks ago the EU wouldn’t touch the AZ vaccine with a barge pole.

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6 minutes ago, 910Esprit said:

No politician is goimg to put their hand up and say we f***** u* - Its not part of the job

I get that. But being accountable to your citizens and not LYING THROUGH YOUR TEETH is also not part of the job. Unfortunately, working for a global company as I do, HQ'd in Europe, I am finding that many Europeans are swallowing this bullshit whole and I am having to point out basic facts to them when comments are made in jest on conference calls etc. They are genuinely shocked as it seems their press is even worse than ours when it comes to reporting facts.

Such a shame that at a time of need like this, what we are seeing is politics being used to forge division, as opposed to being used as a force for diplomacy and the common good through bringing people and nations together.

The EU have shown their true colours now. I think a lot of people will be thinking long and hard re whether they should support an xxexit in their own country.

Italy - stiffed

Greece -stiffed

Ireland - stiffed

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21 minutes ago, LotusLeftLotusRight said:

2 weeks ago the EU wouldn’t touch the AZ vaccine with a barge pole

And still - the number of AZ doses the EU are holding isn’t clear.

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Whilst popping in for lunch I have just watched the Sky news presenter interview a German (I think) MEP about the Corona vaccine situation, it was hilarious (if it's available online you must watch it). It can only be best described as a combination of Yes Minister and 'Allo 'Allo! even the presenter failed to keep a straight face.  The MEP's answers were pitiful but basically Astrazenica are a bad company who don't play fair, no the EU will not move its stock piles of Vaccine they have that is not being used to the areas that need it, and who would buy from Astrazenica anyway as they don't do anything properly especially testing (but they want it anyway). Oh and he didn't believe they were doing it at cost as claimed - but around £3.00 per dose compared to Pfizer at £27.00 (IIRC) sort of says it all.

If it was a comedy it would be up for an award.

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MEPs are windbags of the worst kind. They tend to be of low ability, with little experience of the world outside politics and are mostly failed politicians from whichever country they represent. 

They are essentially free loaders with no responsibility or anything useful or worthwhile to do. 

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Was never a fan of Juncker, but he speaks sense on vaccines. From The Telegraph:

Jean-Claude Juncker attacks Ursula von der Leyen for 'stupid' vaccines trade war with UK

Former European Commission president attacked EU vaccination strategy as penny-pinching and too cautious.

Mr Juncker led the EU executive from 2014-2019 before Mrs von der Leyen took over.  


Jean-Claude Juncker has attacked Ursula von der Leyen, his successor as European Commission president, for starting a “stupid vaccine war” with Britain. 

Mr Juncker said he was “not a fan” of Mrs von der Leyen’s threat of imposing an export ban on EU manufactured jabs to the UK and warned it would “create major reputational damage” for the bloc.

“We used to be the world's free trade champion," he said as EU leaders meet for a summit to discuss the potential ban, "We have to pull back from a vaccine war.”

Mr Juncker also criticised the EU for being too slow in approving and buying vaccines, branding the bloc as “too cautious” and “budget conscious” in an interview with BBC’s HardTalk.

The veteran politician led the commission from 2014 to 2019, which included the period after the Brexit referendum. 

"We have special relations with Britain, there's room for dialogue [...] nobody in Britain, nobody in Europe understands why we are witnessing such a stupid vaccine war,” Mr Juncker said. 

“What the EU is asking for cannot be dealt with in a war atmosphere. We are not in war and we are not enemies - we are allies."

The former prime minister of Luxembourg added: "I don't understand this [EU] temptation to fight against Britain, and the British temptation to fight against the EU. Let's discuss it amongst adult people. What is the image we're giving?'"

The EU summit, forced online because of the third wave of coronavirus sweeping Europe, is being held as new trade rules come into force which allow Brussels to target countries, like Britain, with higher vaccination rates than the EU. 

The commission has already threatened to block the export of millions of AstraZeneca vaccines from the company's Halix plant in Leiden, the Netherlands. It wants the UK to forego its first refusal on supplies from AstraZeneca’s two British plants so they can supply the bloc.

Divided EU leaders are expected to withhold explicit backing for a ban amid fears it could spark a vaccines trade war.

But the pressure on Britain is expected to build because France, Germany and Italy all support Mrs von der Leyen’s plan to threaten bans targeted at AstraZeneca.

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This just illustrates what has been a big problem in the EU for years and was evident during the brexit negotiations. Too many so called diplomats (although mainly French) who think they are entitled to give their views to the press

Coronavirus: France accuses UK of 'blackmail' over vaccine exports https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-56540149

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This got pointed out to me at work (work related):

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-56538653

My response, It's probably French and full of Vaccines.

Forgot I was speaking to an Austrian married to a Frenchman. :rofl:

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Also infuriating that they refer to the strain as the "British variant", you mean the one that Britain were able to identify as being a new strain, which Europe were in blissful ignorance of and which stated in the UK in those towns with ports, but mainly Dover.... 

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1 hour ago, PaulCP said:

This just illustrates what has been a big problem in the EU for years and was evident during the brexit negotiations. Too many so called diplomats (although mainly French) who think they are entitled to give their views to the press

Coronavirus: France accuses UK of 'blackmail' over vaccine exports https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-56540149

Talk about utter perversion of the truth. It's the French Government which has been backing Von der Lying's export bans, "fairness" and "reciprocity" - that is actual blackmail, wrapped up with a bow.

French politicians are really not very good. Utter rubbish, you might say. Luckily no one in the UK will pay any attention. 

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Oh how I laughed at this. The EU could not have made this more of a public balls-up if they tried. No matter how hard they tried!  Not really funny as tragically people in the EU will suffer and die as a result of their unelected bureaucrats for sure. Apparently Cummings is going to go up for a look-see.

 

Boris rubs EU's nose in it: Novavax jabs to be made in Britain after Brussels snubbed

BORIS JOHNSON has confirmed 60 million doses of the Novavax coronavirus vaccine will be bottled in the UK - just days after the drugs company delayed signing a contract to supply jabs to the EU.

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21 minutes ago, SFO said:

Apparently they were originally going to be bottled in Germany ..

Cars, Vaccines. All of them "made" in the UK are better than their German equivalents!  :rofl:

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1 hour ago, 100th_Idiot said:

Hmm. Did Novavax bottle it?

No. They left all the hot air and liquid shit in the EU commissions offices and refused to bottle it!  :)

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