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they haven't published any excess deaths figures for a long time

 

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4 hours ago, SFO said:

Viruses generally do not become more deadly as that kills more or all its hosts, and end up destroying the virus.

thus far, we have had the Kent, Brazil, South African and Japan variants .. none of which have been more deadly. 

I have also heard an expert say that about viruses. Viruses do not make a conscious decision on whether to become more deadly or not. Ebola is highly infectious and it a high mortality rate. It spreads easily then kills a lot of people then seems to disappear then it pops up again.

It's strange talking about how successful a virus is and how do you determine what criteria should be used.

It's probable the Kent variant has a higher infection rate and does have a higher mortality rate.

"this represents an increase in deaths from 2.5 to 4.1 per 1000 detected cases." 

Risk of mortality in patients infected with SARS-CoV-2 variant of concern 202012/1: matched cohort study | The BMJ

Also check out this graph

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths#card-weekly_deaths_with_covid-19_on_the_death_certificate_by_date_registered

It was levelling out before Christmas but then shot up, probably due to Kent variant.

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2 hours ago, LotusFella said:

they haven't published any excess deaths figures for a long time

 

Do you mean this ? Excess deaths figure is negative at the moment compared to 5 year average, probably because Covid deaths are low and there are no flu related deaths either

 

Chart shows excess deaths since beginning of pandemic

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20 hours ago, Bibs said:

Why don't we know the number of deaths from just Covid? Under 10,000 perhaps, under 1,000 even? 

Which dream world do you live in ? 1000 deaths from Covid in the UK ? What caused those huge number of deaths in excess of normal then ? 

 

There are no secrets or conspiracies and the exact explanation of how figures are collated are publicly available. 

 

Behind the headlines: Counting COVID-19 deaths - Public health matters (blog.gov.uk)

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5 hours ago, SFO said:

Viruses generally do not become more deadly as that kills more or all its hosts, and end up destroying the virus.

thus far, we have had the Kent, Brazil, South African and Japan variants .. none of which have been more deadly. 

Viruses mutate in many ways and it is a relatively random process and can result in a more contagious (or less) virus and in an unconnected way a more virulent virus. What does tend to happen is that the most contagious variants rapidly overtake the less contagious and become dominant (as happened with the Kent variant). To a certain extent increased virulence does reduce transmission as the most sick spread less as they stay at home or go to hospital. The least virulent spread well because when people are not ill or even asymptomatic they are able to spread the virus more easily.

However transmissibility is far more important than virulence when it comes to epidemiology

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so the pub earlier tonight still not accepting cash ? yet they pick up your knives and forkes etc youve just used ? same thing just wash hands after contact with anything !!! cash is king ? 🙄 (even the pharmacy at my doctors takes cash !!!)

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Odd, but these days everyone wants some kind of electronic payment. Won’t be long before anyone using or dealing in cash will automatically be judged as dodgy... 🤨

Not worth starting anything now...🍺

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I used to use mainly cash and kept card for online purchase but since lockdown 1 I am mainly using plastic. It was a big change for me and took some getting used to. I have used cash about 5 times since lockdown 1. I have to keep a tight eye on my cashflow so I always get receipts. The way I look at it is that it is just one extra thing to do to stay alive. It's turned out to be not so onerous. The worrying thing in the long term is if charging practices change for using plastic. Another thing of concern is fraud and scams but then with cash you have to watch out for counterfeit and plain old robbery.

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I honestly haven't used cash for over 12 months - I have the same £10 note in my wallet as last May !

 

I am as mean as F**k mind

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and the governments of the world move a step closer to ever increasing control 🙄

And some people's paranoia reaches new levels ...

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Grabbed a coffee from one of those vans on my daily walk last week. Asked if they wanted card or cash (considering low value and charges) to get the answer that card is preferable. Seems odd. Cash always used to be preferred for small businesses and low value as the money stays in the pocket of the vendor and not the banks.

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yes we get people paying for things in dads farm shop with a card to the value of say £2.40 etc just havent got a bean on them 🙄 and its not out of the question that the card reader goes down then !!!🙄

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31 minutes ago, Colin P said:

Grabbed a coffee from one of those vans on my daily walk last week. Asked if they wanted card or cash (considering low value and charges) to get the answer that card is preferable. Seems odd. Cash always used to be preferred for small businesses and low value as the money stays in the pocket of the vendor and not the banks.

For some retailers cash is fine because they can use it in turn to pay for business costs, but any they cannot use it then have to have a way to deposit it at a  bank. that's a PITA because banks may be open only at the times their own business operates so the retailer has to take time out to deposit the cash, let alone some physical challenges such as parking nearby, and then the retailer has to pay a fee to the bank for cash handling.  As card payment fees get smaller, the use of cards gets more attractive for the retailers. This all assumes that businesses deposit and account for all cash received,  I'll not speculate on that.

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It’s hard enough to to find a bank that I can pay money into round here. There’s been so many closures, I now have to travel about 6 miles whereas a few years ago, I could walk to one in the town in about ten minutes.

Due to covid, I can see cash disappearing faster than originally envisaged.

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Lots of people don't realise that they can pay cash to their normal bank account at a Post Office. I know Post Offices are disappearing as well, but there's normally at least one in each town.

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actually we had this issue with paying in cash at hsbc then i suggested the local post office which im sure is a good thing for the small local branch, good shout andy

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