Coronavirus

[C8RKH 6,735]

I thought it was just because basically, you're all just one big family! 

You also had, like the South West and other areas, a high proportion of people with second homes in the area who travelled easily from London in their masses. A similar thing happened, on a smaller scale but with a more devastating impact, in the 13th century.

  

[SFO 228]

The metrics that really matter, no of people in hospital and no of deaths, continue to decline steeply 

[LotusLeftLotusRight 1,408]

Yes it’s clear that the combination of lockdown, schools closed and early vaccinations has produced rapid results. The generally accepted line was that new cases rise much faster than they fall, but even with the new more virulent mutation in general circulation, the rate of drop off in new cases has been equal to the pre-lockdown increase. Let’s hope we can continue on this path. We still have nearly 3 weeks until schools in England are expected to re-open, so plenty of time to get new case numbers much lower if the public continues to follow the rules.

[C8RKH 6,735]

Yes, but we're all doomed and we're all gonna die so go and buy one of the last analogue drivers cars whilst you can and drive the pants off it.

If COVID doesn't kill you, something else will for sure. Just don't let it be boredom! 

[Clive59 123]

10 hours ago, C8RKH said:

Yes, but we're all doomed and we're all gonna die so go and buy one of the last analogue drivers cars whilst you can and drive the pants off it.

agreed.

This was sent to me. Has a certain logic to it...no?

 

SHALL I GET VACCINATED?

 

Here are 12 important questions and answers before considering getting vaccinated

 

●"If I get vaccinated can I stop wearing a mask(s)?"

Government: "NO"

●"If I get vaccinated will the restaurants, bars, schools, fitness clubs, hair salons, etc. reopen and will people be able to get back to work like normal?

Government: "NO"

●"If I get vaccinated will I be resistant to Covid?"

Government: "Maybe. We don't know exactly, but probably not."

●"If I get vaccinated, at least I won't be contagious to others - right?"

Government: "NO. the vaccine doesn’t stop transmission."

●"If I get vaccinated, how long will the vaccine last?"

Government: "No one knows. All Covid "vaccines" are still in the experimental stage."

● "If I get vaccinated, can I stop social distancing?"

Government: "NO"

● "If my parents, grandparents and myself all get vaccinated can we hug each other again?"

Government: "NO"

● "So what's the benefit of getting vaccinated?"

Government: "Hoping that the virus won't kill you."

●"Are you sure the vaccine won't injure or kill me?"

Government: "NO"

●"If statistically the virus won't kill me (99.7% survival rate), why should I get vaccinated?"

Government: "To protect others."

●"So if I get vaccinated, I can protect 100% of people I come in contact with?"

Government: "NO"

● "If I experience a severe adverse reaction, long term effects (still unknown) or die from the vaccine will I (or my family) be compensated from the vaccine manufacture or the Government?"

Government: "NO - the government and vaccine manufactures have 100% zero liability regarding this experimental drug"

So to summarize, the Covid19 "vaccine"...

Does not provide immunity

Does not eliminate the virus

Does not prevent death

Does not guarantee you won’t get it

Does not stop you from passing it on to others

Does not eliminate the need for travel bans

Does not eliminate the need for business closures

Does not eliminate the need for lockdowns

Does not eliminate the need for masking

 

 

[Dan E 1,592]

My wife got tested positive on Tuesday. It is not funny by any stretch of the imagination. She is early 50’s with a spot on BMI and an exercise lunatic. 
 

 

[Clive59 123]

7 minutes ago, Dan E said:

It is not funny by any stretch of the imagination

No it isn't. I hope she doesn't suffer too much, and has a quick recovery, it is a lottery it seems.

[Dan E 1,592]

She will be fine, but this has smashed the wind out of her sails and we have been brutally careful. 
 

I have known too many people personally who have died of this and that’s why I get the arse with the deniers. 

7 minutes ago, Clive59 said:

No it isn't. I hope she doesn't suffer too much, and has a quick recovery, it is a lottery it seems.

Oh and thank you 

[Clive59 123]

2 minutes ago, Dan E said:

I have known too many people personally who have died of this and that’s why I get the arse with the deniers. 

I am not a denier, it is serious, but, all the vaccine is expected to do is hopefully reduce the severity of the infection, which is not a bad outcome, but is not a panacea either. Most people who suffer have underlying issues. There should be a lot more effort to actually improve peoples health and immune system, eat better etc, rather than just rely on a vaccine. The single biggest thing to improve disease in history was good water and sanitation. Vaccines have actually had minimal impact on overall population health by comparison, the law of diminishing returns, but yes, some astonishing results, smallpox most notably perhaps. But no corona virus vaccine has worked properly yet, they tend to mutate too quickly.

[Dan E 1,592]

@Clive59 no I know that! I meant “the deniers” not you. Re read my post I was agreeing with you. 
 

how things get lost in translation 😀. I was explaining to my 16 year old son today whilst waiting a COVID test in the car today how we we had to chat up girls. He was horrified that you had to phone the house phone and talk to one of the parents 😀

[Buddsy 1,657]

On 17/02/2021 at 10:53, andydclements said:

Here in Norfolk we have a similar but less extreme situation of relatively low population density, however we had one of the highest rates of infection (by proportion of population), which I think was partly due to complacency.

I just dont see people being complacent. I see people where those mask and doing distancing. 

I hear people blaming other people for flouting the rules but in the main I see people doing as they are told.

They are saying most cases are now from the supermarket. The places where everyone has to follow the rules and where masks.

 

Company next door to me had to shut down for a week due to 180 of them getting the covid. Luckily I dont think any of them are ill. HSE said they had done all they could have done and just made them close for a week where they done a deep clean.

 

Loads of people I know have had it. Most of them are the people who've been doing the social distancing thing and wearing the masks.

 

I said before I think these measures make no difference at all to if you get it or not they just make some live in fear and others feel better.

 

buddsy

 

 

[andydclements 813]

The majority of people may be following the rules, or the majority of rules, but then I compare that to this morning.

Neighbour in her 70s, each week two of her daughters arrive, separately from their respective households, then all three normally get into one of the cars and go off together. If one daughter had formed a support bubble fine, but both cannot. This week it didn't go like that, instead, the third daughter turned up in the police car, and went in ( at least she was wearing a mask) with her Mum and two sisters. Really?

It makes me think there should, be a tattoo on the forehead of some people "I'm selfish so if I become ill please give no treatment as I don't care".   If we then didn't have that segment of the population to concern ourselves with, and some of them weren't occupying hospital resources, we probably would be able to have slightly less stringent restrictions.

[LotusLeftLotusRight 1,408]

Yes, our (well-documented) neighbours just carry on as normal. Between the two of them, they typically make about 10 return car journeys per day to and from their house. I can understand a daily journey to work and back, as well as the weekly shop, but what the hell else is so essential? In comparison I have made only four short journeys in my car since the middle of December. My wife visits her elderly mum once a week and does the weekly shop and a maximum of two trips to work. So between the four of us in our household, we make an absolute maximum of five local return car journeys per week. Compare that to the 70+ per week made by the couple of covidiots opposite.

In fact, just as I write this, one of them has just popped back home again on an essential journey.

[Dan E 1,592]

So it now turns out I am the only one in my house without COVID! It is a logistical nightmare to be honest. My 16 year old son has absolutely no symptoms and reckons he feels better then ever, in fact I can hear him in the gym at the moment! My wife however is really suffering. 
 

 

[LotusLeftLotusRight 1,408]

7 minutes ago, Dan E said:

My 16 year old son has absolutely no symptoms and reckons he feels better then ever, in fact I can hear him in the gym at the moment.

A 16 year old boy in the gym? There’s your symptoms, right there!

[Barrykearley 7,153]

1 hour ago, Buddsy said:

 

Loads of people I know have had it. Most of them are the people who've been doing the social distancing thing and wearing the masks.

 

I said before I think these measures make no difference at all to if you get it or not they just make some live in fear and others feel better.

And there lies the reasoned voice of balance. I’m not exactly clear why we the human race think we can beat nature. We are in a pandemic as the government keep reminding us. I’m sure once this is over the government’s and big pharmaceutical will take all the credit for it. 
 

History is very quickly forgotten when it’s convenient to do so. Remind me again what cured society of Spanish flu?

maybe some music will help - we cannot cure everything am I’m not sure why the human race thinks we can go on forever stripping the planet bare without any repercussions.

 

[RobinB5 297]

Some balance...

Here are 12 important questions and answers before considering getting vaccinated

●"If I get vaccinated can I stop wearing a mask(s)?"

Government: "NO"

If you catch it, it'll still replicate and be transmissible, but at a reduced rate and for a shorter time. So it makes sense to wear a mask just in case.

●"If I get vaccinated will the restaurants, bars, schools, fitness clubs, hair salons, etc. reopen and will people be able to get back to work like normal?

Government: "NO"

If enough people get vaccinated, reduce the chance of transmission, the virus will die down to levels that the NHS can cope with. Same with voting, one vote doesn't count, enough votes do.

●"If I get vaccinated will I be resistant to Covid?"

Government: "Maybe. We don't know exactly, but probably not."

For a while, for how long remains to be seen. For long enough is the point.

●"If I get vaccinated, at least I won't be contagious to others - right?"

Government: "NO. the vaccine doesn’t stop transmission."

It reduces the chance of contagion by reducing the maximum amount of viruses you'd have to transmit.

●"If I get vaccinated, how long will the vaccine last?"

Government: "No one knows. All Covid "vaccines" are still in the experimental stage."

If it lasts longer than say a day, it's worth having.

● "If I get vaccinated, can I stop social distancing?"

Government: "NO"

Not until the virus is on its way out.

● "If my parents, grandparents and myself all get vaccinated can we hug each other again?"

Government: "NO"

see a few of the above

● "So what's the benefit of getting vaccinated?"

Government: "Hoping that the virus won't kill you."

Reducing the probability you'll burden the NHS and so someone with a life threatening condition can't get the care they need.

●"Are you sure the vaccine won't injure or kill me?"

Government: "NO"

Balance of whether the virus would kill you or whether the vaccination would. Former is more probable.

●"If statistically the virus won't kill me (99.7% survival rate), why should I get vaccinated?"

Government: "To protect others."

That's the entire point

●"So if I get vaccinated, I can protect 100% of people I come in contact with?"

Government: "NO"

But you'd protect more than you would otherwise.

● "If I experience a severe adverse reaction, long term effects (still unknown) or die from the vaccine will I (or my family) be compensated from the vaccine manufacture or the Government?"

Government: "NO - the government and vaccine manufactures have 100% zero liability regarding this experimental drug"

Fact.

 

For the sake of a) wearing a mask and b) getting a vaccine (of which you've likely had lots in your life already) wtf is there to bitch and moan about? 

 

[C8RKH 6,735]

4 hours ago, LotusLeftLotusRight said:

Yes, our (well-documented) neighbours just carry on as normal. Between the two of them, they typically make about 10 return car journeys per day to and from their house. I can understand a daily journey to work and back, as well as the weekly shop, but what the hell else is so essential?

They are obviously doggers! Need their daily fixes. Hopefully they use masks and condoms but depending on what they get up to that may be interesting.

 

On a serious note. What pisses me off is when I see (usually older) people with a mask on that sits under their nose, not over it. Complete and utter waste of time. These special people need to be told of their error.  

[Barrykearley 7,153]

Maybe they are Uber eats driver

[comem47 245]

4 hours ago, C8RKH said:

They are obviously doggers! Need their daily fixes. Hopefully they use masks and condoms but depending on what they get up to that may be interesting.

 

On a serious note. What pisses me off is when I see (usually older) people with a mask on that sits under their nose, not over it. Complete and utter waste of time. These special people need to be told of their error.  

Remind those that choose to wear their mask that way that it's not a "chin diaper"  😉

[ChrisJ 1,505]

Deaths due to COVID-19 – Interactive map - Office for National Statistics (ons.gov.uk)

 

[Barrykearley 7,153]

9 in our area @ChrisJ - more probably died changing light bulbs falling off ladders

[Buddsy 1,657]

11 hours ago, ChrisJ said:

Deaths due to COVID-19 – Interactive map - Office for National Statistics (ons.gov.uk)

 

So this shows the actual deaths from Covid in the year 2020 not just those who died with it?

I have to say this seem much more realistic figure to what I have seen or rather not seen in my area. This map puts the figure for Norwich and the out lying villages at circa 50 deaths in the year.

 

There have been Freedom of information requests to the hospitals asking the number of people they have had die of Covid19 with no underlying medical issues and they mostly seem to be around the 5-8 per hospital for the year. I was waiting for my local NNUH to publish their figures as they must do once a FOI request has been made. Most of the other hospitals have released the figures but NNUH were late responding then just pointed to the Gov figures which show people dying within 28(?)days of testing positive. If It was I who had submitted the FOI request Id be onto my MP and also raising the request to a internal review for being disingenuous

buddsy.

 

 

[Barrykearley 7,153]

It’s worthy of note @Buddsy that of those 9 - I absolutely 100% know of one whom was riddled with terminal cancer whom had his death certificate stating cause of death COVID-19.

[Buddsy 1,657]

If that was my relative I would be making a claim against who ever it was signed the death certificate personally holding them accountable.

Luckily there seems to be many court cases being brought.

Ive see quite a law firms are now taking cases where people with medical conditions have been hassled for not wearing a mask in shops by staff or the police under the disability discrimination law 2010.

 

buddsy