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Now there is a brilliant idea. I have been having some texts with a member on here who has lost someone last week to this. My bet is Chris Whitty is probably more qualified than anyone to tell

This sign should me made mandatory in all public spaces!! 

Daisy did her first 4 hr vaccination shift today. 3 hrs prep and paperwork - 1 hour jabbing. 20 folks done. She goes again Sunday  one very proud Dad today

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I do feel for bus drivers, they always get the blame! 

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I had the Cambridge astrological jab today 😁

 

 

 

 

Feeling a bit spaced out now.....

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Normal Friday night in the past

hindsight: the science that is never wrong

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HAHAHA - EU really are up shit creak without a paddle! Come on Boris!!! 

Pfizer has warned the EU to back down from its threat to block vaccines to the UK because the firm needs crucial ingredients shipped from Yorkshire, The Telegraph has learned.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/03/19/pfizer-urges-eu-back-away-vaccine-blockade-threat/?fbclid=IwAR3oG-Qw3-JunBlT3Jg6ri2VNN-RRttLvFTGaIy-3BF_2YrjXD1L8SxL85U

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Pfizer has warned the EU to back down from its threat to block vaccines to the UK because the firm needs crucial ingredients shipped from Yorkshire, The Telegraph has learned.

The drugmaker and its partner BioNTech have told Brussels that the UK has the power to retaliate against any export ban by withholding raw materials needed for its jab.

Croda International, a chemicals firm based in Snaith, Yorkshire, has been delivering vital "fatty molecules" to Pfizer's factories in the EU since signing a five-year contract with the firm in November.

Pfizer and BioNtech are understood to have warned EU leaders that production at the main vaccine factory in Belgium could "grind to a halt" within weeks if the UK moved to prevent deliveries from crossing the Channel.

It comes amid a bitter international row over vaccine supplies after Emmanuel Macron backed a threat by the EU Commission president, Ursula Von der Leyen, to seize factories, waive patents and ban vaccine exports to the UK unless Boris Johnson surrendered British-made AstraZeneca jabs to the EU.

One senior Government source involved in tackling the Covid pandemic played down the chance that Britain would retaliate by blocking its own exports of vaccine components to Europe.

However, Pfizer and BioNtech are understood to have privately warned the commission that any vaccine ban on the UK would risk provoking a Downing Street backlash that could further derail the bloc's stuttering vaccine rollout.

The drugmaker has already admitted it faces a global shortage of lipid nanoparticles, the specialised fatty molecules used to encase the fragile mRNA vaccine and safely deliver it to human cells.

A senior source close to the vaccine-making process said Pfizer was "heavily dependent" on supplies of lipid ingredients from the UK, saying: "They [Pfizer/BioNTech] told the commission that if the UK shuts down the lipids then the whole process grinds to a halt in weeks."

A Pfizer spokesman said: "We have been clear with all stakeholders that the free movement of goods and supply across borders is absolutely critical to Pfizer and the patients we serve."

Last November, Pfizer signed a five-year deal with the Yorkshire-based firm Croda International, one of the few companies in the world able to supply the crucial substance. Croda told the stock exchange earlier this year that its contract with Pfizer to deliver four ingredients would generate $125 million in sales this year, adding that it was quadrupling the capacity of its UK factory to meet demand.

The firm also has a newly-acquired factory owned by a subsidiary in Alabama, and is understood to have been helping Pfizer to raise the storage temperature of its vaccine so vials can be kept in a standard refrigerator.

The Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine recently announced contracts with the Germany-based companies Evonik and Merck KGaA to dramatically scale up the supply of lipids.

However, in a recent conference call with industry leaders and German politicians including Angela Merkel, the chancellor, Sierk Poetting, the BioNTech chief operating officer, warned that lipids supply remained the key bottleneck facing production of the Pfizer vaccine and said it would take up to eight months to boost production.

"We need kilos and kilos and kilos of that stuff," Mr Poetting said, adding that any export restrictions could endanger the supply. The Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine is also reliant on components shipped from the US and Canada.

A senior UK government source played down the idea of a retaliatory ban, stressing that the move would undercut calls for Brussels to honour its contracts as Britain seeks to attract new businesses after Brexit.

"The message is that if you want to come and set up your manufacturing base in the UK you can," the source added, saying retaliation against Brussels over vaccine exports would undercut that.

A spokesman for Croda International said: "We manufacture components within the UK that we ship to Pfizer facilities in multiple locations, including Belgium."

A Pfizer spokesman said: "We have been clear with all stakeholders that the free movement of goods and supply across borders is absolutely critical to Pfizer and the patients we serve. We are working closely with governments around the world, including the UK Government and the European Commission, to ensure the supply of the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine in accordance with the agreed schedules."

Last month, a diplomatic row broke out after Charles Michel, the European Council president, claimed the UK had imposed an "outright ban" on the export of Covid vaccines and vaccine components. Dominic Raab, the Foreign Secretary, later dismissed the accusation as "completely false".

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From The Spectator:

Ursula von der Leyen’s threat to invoke emergency powers blocking EU vaccine exports and requisitioning factories was fairly extreme. Her justification was that 41 million doses have been exported from the EU to 33 countries in the last six weeks alone at a time when its own vaccination programmes are struggling.

But, as I say in the Times today, this ignores two crucial points. First, it is not the EU making these vaccines but rather private companies. Second, the supply chains for vaccines are global and complex. 'They can’t really be autarkic on this,' says one cabinet minister. For example, the lipids used in the Pfizer vaccine tend to come from the UK. When I asked one minister if we’d bar the export of these if the EU blocked Pfizer shipments, I was told: 'We are not threatening that'.

There is a real danger, given the nature of vaccine supply chains, that this situation could spiral out of control and we could end up in a world where everyone loses.

The lesson the British government is taking from this situation is the importance of domestic production. If in a crisis you can’t be certain that even fellow free-market democracies will honour contracts (as we saw this time last year when France and Germany banned exports of medical equipment) then you have to make sure that essential medical supplies are manufactured here.

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The wheels are becoming increasingly wobbly for the EU commission. They have been hugely inefficient and utterly inept at their United approach to this. So much so countries are pulling away and doing their own thing. This pandemic could well become the downfall for the fourth reich EU project.

every cloud I suppose 👍

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The times are reporting this morning that the EU commission are positioning to take control of vaccine production factories 🤪

oh my word - if that’s true it’s beyond belief

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On 19/03/2021 at 18:13, Barrykearley said:

Daisy did her first 4 hr vaccination shift today. 3 hrs prep and paperwork - 1 hour jabbing. 20 folks done.

She goes again Sunday :thumbsup: one very proud Dad today

Where is she doing it Barry?

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Looks as though von der Leyen, the EU commission and Macron have been learning the “Trump book of leadership” i.e. to get your own way shout the loudest, try to bully, make out you are more important than anyone else and, if all else fails, stamp your feet and throw your toys out of your prom as far as you can.

What don’t they understand about the U.K. Govt investing heavily in the manufacture of the AZ vaccine and the EU being crap at negotiating a contract, when they finally got around to and could be bothered to do so! How many more failures and cock ups will go onto von der Leyen’s CV.

Macron & the EU trashed the AZ vaccine, then banned it & now they want it whilst in the meantime it is being reported that EU nations have 7.2m vaccine doses of AZ sat doing nothing.

Question for Macron - “how are the French trials of producing the vaccine which he spouted about a few months ago going?”

 

 

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23 minutes ago, Barrykearley said:

The times are reporting this morning that the EU commission are positioning to take control of vaccine production factories

Given Ursulas track record if they were to take over control of production that would probably see a huge drop off in production volumes by one mismanagement or another. Wasn't she the woman in charge of German military procurement who saw German soldiers going on NATO exercises with painted broom handles as they had no riffles? :hrhr:

This thread and the Brexit thread are becoming so close. I wonder how many people have changed their thoughts on remaining/ leaving during this time after seeing the EUs behavior? Maybe a question for the Brexit thread.

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24 minutes ago, C8RKH said:

To me, this is why in the long run Brexit would be OK. Yes, loads of short term pain. Lots of hassle and confusion. But I truly believe the strength of our Islands is in the attitude, the fortitude or our people and our ability to just crack on.

Contrast that with the never ending game of popular and unaccountable politics that is the EU and you can see why we are better off out, than in.

Italy. Greece. And now the UK. All have suffered at the hands of the petty politics of the EU at a time when neighbours should have come together.  So glad in this COVID world I am in the UK, and not Europe.

 

Completely agree. Elegantly put. Luckily, the UK could stand up to EU bullying. 

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Looks as though von der Leyen, the EU commission and Macron

aka Von der Lying and Moron 

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3 hours ago, mayevora said:

Where is she doing it Barry?

Exeter somewhere chap 

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11 minutes ago, Barrykearley said:

Exeter somewhere chap

Possibly Westpoint Arena? Where they hold the Devon County show.

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13 minutes ago, exeterjeep said:

Possibly Westpoint Arena? Where they hold the Devon County show.

Sounds like a place where they are used to dealing with beligerent old cows and nags, so a great venue choice

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40 minutes ago, Barrykearley said:

Exeter somewhere chap 

I thought it might be as you’d said before she’s at Exeter Uni.  Westpoint is the big vax venue. I’m there tomorrow. 👍😊

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44 minutes ago, mayevora said:

I’m there tomorrow

An essential journey in the lotus then.

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Just now, exeterjeep said:

An essential journey in the lotus then.

Absolutely. Plenty of safe parking as well. Another pall with his Exige there earlier today. 👍😁

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17 covid related deaths yesterday, more people died from choking on langoustine shells I think. Still in lockdown, economy in freefall, billions being spent. :blink:

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