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Yeah Lotus isn't ready for that bracket, but the 85k - 130k bracket is pretty devoid of much at the moment. Starting somewhere in the mid to lower end of that range for whatever the high end version of the 131 is may be a good niche for Lotus to carve out.

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As I understand, it's £50k - £95k. No idea at all where £150k came from but it's not what any Type 131 will cost and it's not going to have a Volvo powertrain. 

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Got it - the return of the Coventry Climax - light, nimble...

Cheapest Ferrari is £166k (probably without paint and seats as you need to add options) and this is for a front engine car. Cheapest mid engine is 200k with a v8 of 660bhp

The McLaren GT is 165k and it’s V8 has 612bhp

Lamborghini Huracan is 165k with a V10 that has 602bhp

What are the other mid engine sports car out there? 

New Corvette: 82k with a 500bhp V8

Honda NSX: 150k with V6 hybrid for circa 550bhp 

 

kind of suggests you may get away with 130k and a V6 500bhp at the top end but that is stretching it and the car will need to feel special.

 

 

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Nope. ICE. 

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At the last big bash at Hethel I mentioned to a powertrain manager us chaps were hoping for the new engine to come from the Volvo Polestar. He did look rather surprised and said everything they were working on was electric/hybrid. That was 3 years ago now though so I guess things have moved away from electric due to the environmental issues.

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1 hour ago, Bibs said:

As I understand, it's £50k - £95k

At 50k, have a couple.

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I thought the plan was for Lotus move up market. You can spend £110k on an Exige now (well, not anymore I suppose) and you could probably have spent £120k on an Evora GT430. It’s not much of a leap.

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6 hours ago, Bibs said:

As I understand, it's £50k - £95k.

No idea at all where £150k came from but it's not what any Type 131 will cost and it's not going to have a Volvo powertrain. 

Blimey, so cheaper than Current Elise & Exige! Let’s hope the sales figures are phenomenal to start recouping some of that investment.

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After all there is a whole new factory to build them in so they must expect to sell a reasonable number.

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On 18/03/2021 at 07:15, PAR said:

Yes, the Carlton has a German engine.

The other was Enstone made Lotus branded f1 which had a Mercedes v6 before they become Renault again. 

That F1 team had nothing more than a marketing connection to Lotus Group and the Opel Carlton CIH engine was designed in Detroit by General Motors.

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A few things reading through this. V8s are disappearing fast even in the top end machines so I don't think you'll have an issue competing in almost any segment with a V6 now. I presume there are going to be turbos. You wouldn't get away with a supercharger these days!

I would have thought the 'top' of the price range will actually be a *base car* at the top. So a 95k base model, stick some fancy wings on it and a less comfortable seat and you could easily have one well into the 100k+ club.

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https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-news/industry-news/lotus/global-expansion/

 

"On the new sports car, Type 131, ‘not a lot’ is shared with other group models: some switches, column stalks, some of the base electric architecture, ‘high-investment, low impact stuff,’ says Windle. Power comes from the Toyota V6 known from the Exige and Evora, and a 'high-output, lower-capacity engine, where we're partnering with a very famous engine manufacturer. "

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what about a development of the 3 cylinder Toyota engine from the GR Yaris? in the base model 131?

light and enought power if it can be tuned to more than 270bhp.

That's just fine

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So a turbo Toyota V6 to keep to regulations but have enough power for modern crazy numbers, and a Merc 4 banger which might be just as quick, if not quicker than the V6...

It'll be interesting what they do with the V6, two things are good from this:

1) Parts availability is going to be good for a lot longer (though I would think it's not too much of an issue with that V6 anyway)

2) If they have pulled more HP from that engine, there are going to be some VERY fast conversions coming up on older cars. Must have a new gearbox I assume

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1 hour ago, TdM said:

Must have a new gearbox I assume

Ohh yes I hope so!  The engine is supposed to be good for 500 bhp right?  It's just the gearbox that's holding the drivetrain back from more power.   In the 4XX cars they improved the shifter so even in anger it worked well but not really anything to boast about.  If Lotus can come up with a solution that raises the experience from good enough to really ****ing good that would be awesome.  And hopefully not too expensive for older cars to retro fit it 😉

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Honestly I wouldn't put too much stock in the Toyota V6 from the Evora/Exige comment of the article. Its almost like the author is making an assumption, because its not a direct quote, there are no "" around it. I also don't know why Windle would just flippantly mention that it uses the same engine as the Evora/Exige, but keep the 4 cylinder a secret, unless the 4 cylinder is the higher output version for some reason. Even if it does use the current Toyota motor, doesn't seem like something you would just say in passing.

That being said if it is the current Toyota V6, that has positives and negatives. Reliability and parts being the 2 big positives. However, if it truly caps out at around 500HP reliably (with a new stronger gearbox) and if the 131 is truly their last ICE then this car will most likely probably be on the market at least as long as the Evora was. Not sure 500HP is going to cut it for the top end version of the T131 10-years from now now (you could argue it would barely cut it now with the base Corvette doing about the same). Honestly feels like going out more with a whimper than a bang with their final ICE. If this is true then it kind of feels Geely is not interested in investing much into the 131 and seem to be saving their big investment for the electric cars.

That being said, I'm skeptical of anything until its officially announced.

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I bet they'll stick with Toyota since this is a transition model from ICE to Electric based cars.  Why invest in short lived and new suppliers and engines?  Stick with what works.  Volvo/Geely will be foundation for the electronics, motors, and batteries in the future.  Lotus will have a lot of engineering work supporting the Geely umbrella.

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On 20/03/2021 at 19:21, Barrykearley said:

 

They are fitting a decent sound system?

after 8 years in the Evora I figured out that the sound of the pioneer radio could be upgraded a LOT by just streaming internet radio from the iphone than using the "normal" radio with its - lets say - "surprising" perception😁

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