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It's been a long time since I've been on. My two Esprits have been joined by a '70 Europa S2 basket case. received it two days ago with enginge seized and managed to get it running yesterday. Many parts are missing including the entire support structure behind the dash (no dash panel either) for the steering column. Can someone help with photos / diagrams so I can get the wheel off the floor? I have no idea what it would attach to.

Thanks, It's good to be back!

Lee

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A bit more explaination:

The L bracket with stiffener 4 above attaches to the studs holding the trim on the bottom of the dash. The special U bracket on the steering column 3 (not numbered separately) attaches to holes in the L bracket 4. That's it. Other than the flexible coupling to the rack there are no other column fixings.

A bit more detail of the U bracket (It's triumph spitfire/herald/vitesse/gt6) parts 56, 57 & 58

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Thanks Jim,

It looks like I'm missing everything in the lower diagram. Of course for RHD. I just cant imagine the four bolts on the inside of the body and the dash carries the weight of the column / steering wheel. I can move the ones near the passenger side door with my fingers.

I presume there's a center support for the dash that would help. Do you have a drawing showing the parts in that area?

Lastly, where can I even begin to locate these items? I wont need the dash right away but if I can get that wheel off the floor it'll be a big step!

Thanks again, Lee

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In typical Lotus fashion the dash is structural and serves many functions. It adds significantly to the overall torsional rigidity of the car.

The dash is attached at the top by 4 chromed Philips bolts to the bobbins in the panel under the windscreen. These 4 holes in the dash are lined with metal sleeves for rigidity, most repro dash's don't include the sleeves. There is someone on ebay who sells the sleeves but at a stupid price. The dash is attached from behind through the 2 holes at the bottom with 2 bolts into 2 small L brackets (not shown) to the 2 chassis/body bolts just in front of the gear lever. This is also where the electrics in this area earth. The horseshoe opening is for the main loom and the 2 slots for the window switch wires. The bolt hole above the horseshoe opening is not used. Bracket 7 attaches the centre console.

There is a bottom trim (not shown and the diagram that does is useless) that attaches through the series of holes along the bottom of the main dash. This is an L of metal going in front and under the dash padded on the front and vinyl covered. It's in 2 pieces split at the steering wheel opening. It has studs welded to it for attachment through the holes in the dash and also acts as an earth bus for quite a few of the instruments etc. The steering wheel bracket 4 is attached to it as are the 2 side brackets 5 and 6. The side brackets bolt to the A pillar through the slot in the bracket but in fabulous Lotus ingenuity use the door courtesy lamp switches as the bolts! These BTW are from a Morris Minor (not the mini one) and are readily available from Morris Minor specialists and quite often on ebay.

 https://www.morrisminor.org.uk/parts/56-interior-no-plate-light-trav-reflectors/2165-switch-interior-lamp-courtesy-light

So the dash provides structural attachment of the chassis to the main shell under the screen and to the A pillars tying it all together which is also typical in light aircraft design. 

Hope that helps

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SJ sportscars sell new dashboards and crash pads, but the brackets etc I don't think are available from anyone new. If you can find another owner who will let you copy them then they are not complex otherwise it's scan ebay and hope or try Richard at Europa Engineering who has a bigger stock of S/H parts than anyone http://www.banks-europa.co.uk/index.php

He has farmed out the new parts business which is now on a separate website but for S/H you still need to talk to Richard. BTW he is not keen on emails and prefers a phone call. 

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Thanks guys!!

That's exactly what I was looking for. I made an error, it is LHD not RHD. I fully understand now and will look into the dash first as it seems to be key in the structure.

I got the seized engine running and the exhaust is exceptionally clean. no smoking. Clutch wasn't even stuck. jacked it up and ran it through the gears by using a 1 1/4 wrench on the lever to disengage. The clutch cable was rusted solid.

I'm very excited with the progress and look forward to getting the brakes to work.

Another thing I desperately need is to understand what holds the pedal assembly to the floor / sides. This car was missing a lot of parts.

Once again your help is greatly appreciated!

 

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This is what you should have. The clutch/brake assembly 1 shown is RHD, but the LHD one is essentially the same except handed. The accelerator pedal 2 is RHD, 3 is LHD.

The clutch/brake pedals are simply bolted from below with four 1/4 unf bolts into the captive nuts on the pedal bracket. The bolts go through the pre drilled holes in the chassis plate welded to the front T that fits under the front of the footwell and through the similar holes in the shell. The accelerator brackets on the RHD linkage are bolted though holes in the floor of the front luggage compartment. I don't know about LHD but it looks like the bracket just uses screws! 

From your question it sounds like someone may have dismantled the brake/clutch assembly and parts might be missing. Whilst it can be done (I've done it) it was not designed to be dismantled and is brazed together. New ones are available from the usual suspects and I believe there is someone in the states making them out of stainless steel, try google.

The reason it may have been dismantled is that there is no sensible way of lubricating the pivot bushes on the pedals and if left unused for a long time these can stiffen up or seize. When rebuilding mine I drilled a 1/8" hole at the top of each pivot tube. I squirt a drop of oil in there every now and again and it seems to work ok.

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On 01/05/2021 at 17:39, Esprit Aviation said:

Another thing I desperately need is to understand what holds the pedal assembly to the floor / sides. This car was missing a lot of parts.

Once again your help is greatly appreciated!

 

The manuals are available here :thumbup:

Cheers,

John W

http://jonwatkins.co.uk

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On 26/04/2021 at 14:08, Esprit Aviation said:

It's been a long time since I've been on. My two Esprits have been joined by a '70 Europa S2 basket case. received it two days ago with enginge seized and managed to get it running yesterday. Many parts are missing including the entire support structure behind the dash (no dash panel either) for the steering column. Can someone help with photos / diagrams so I can get the wheel off the floor? I have no idea what it would attach to.

Thanks, It's good to be back!

Lee

Hi Lee hope you managed to find the dash bracket I have had the same problem with my S2 there’s a bracket that fits on the dash

the column U bracket then bolts to this 

it’s the bracket on the left in the pic

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Just now, davearkley said:

Hi Lee hope you managed to find the dash bracket I have had the same problem with my S2 there’s a bracket that fits on the dash

the column U bracket then bolts to this 

it’s the bracket on the left in the pic

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I need this bracket but can’t find one at the minute 

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