Evora prices post Emira launch

[jep]

Elan are up to £50k, most 25k to 40k, in UK but still value considering how important a car they are. 

I should buy one but S1 Elise is so perfect, I am not sure I would use Elan 26 enough.

Justin 

 

[LotusLeftLotusRight]

I think one thing we now know is that the Emira is unlikely to be any quicker in a straight line than a 400-on Evora. I can fully understand the owners of those cars being a little hesitant to switch to the new model on that basis. That doesn’t mean they won’t make the jump when any uprated Emira joins the line-up later on. There could well be a stampede for that one!

If you are an Evora S1 owner, then the Emira should be a step up in performance and worth the investment.

Also, looking ahead, what impact will these thousands of new Emiras have on the servicing capacity of our dealers? There will be quite a magnitude of increased demand from end 2022 onwards.

[EGTE]

13 hours ago, pete said:

How about waiting to try the car for yourself rather than watching someone's sour grapes because he wasn't invited to the unveiling and who isn't likely to ever drive the car.

Okay I wasn't clear about my reasoning. I have an Evora, so I know the Emira will be great to drive, even if it is based on an Evora. However I already have a great-driving Evora, so buying an Emira would cost me about £45-50,000 to get a nicer interior (although the Evora's is just fine to me) and more electronics (not a good thing, especially parking-brake). Both look fine to me (not actually blown away by Emira tbh), so no improvement there either.

Not criticising the Emira; it just doesn't stack up for me as an Evora owner already.

I hope Lotus sell boat-loads of Emiras and become as successful as Porsche. In fact more successful than Porsche.

Edited July 13, 2021 by EGTE

[paranoidandroid]

I’m of a similar mindset at the moment. Saw the Emira at FOS and it does look stunning, but then so does my Evora. My Evora is a weekend toy so I’m not fussed about the interior tech that much, it’s also a 2+2 and I use the rear seats.

The other point is Evora’s are a very rare sight on the roads. Sounds as if there are going to be far more Emira’s around. I quite like the rarity and the fact that people don’t know what it is!

 

 

[gregs24]

3 hours ago, LotusLeftLotusRight said:

I think one thing we now know is that the Emira is unlikely to be any quicker in a straight line than a 400-on Evora. I can fully understand the owners of those cars being a little hesitant to switch to the new model on that basis. That doesn’t mean they won’t make the jump when any uprated Emira joins the line-up later on. There could well be a stampede for that one!

If you are an Evora S1 owner, then the Emira should be a step up in performance and worth the investment.

Also, looking ahead, what impact will these thousands of new Emiras have on the servicing capacity of our dealers? There will be quite a magnitude of increased demand from end 2022 onwards.

Of course you are assuming that speed is the only differentiator. Personally think the Emira is a way better looking car than the Evora (inside and out) which will be a factor for many.

 

 

[LotusLeftLotusRight]

No I personally agree with you 100%, but there will be others who think differently. There’s no doubt that the Emira is selling by the bucket load on its looks and what appears to be keen pricing. None of us have driven it yet, so driving impressions are non existent.

[pete]

Think what is hard to believe was your faith in jayemm who has a grudge against lotus

[jep]

4 hours ago, EGTE said:

become as successful as Porsche. In fact more successful than Porsche.

They already are more successful than Porsche. Admittedly, my parameters are (a) narrow (b) biased (c) woefully uncommercial.

Justin

 

[LotusLeftLotusRight]

1 hour ago, pete said:

Think what is hard to believe was your faith in jayemm who has a grudge against lotus

Who is this aimed at? I haven’t watched any jayemm video, since he collected his yellow Evora 400 from JCT and came on here to show us all those years ago!

[pete]

Paranoidandroid

[paranoidandroid]

Not guilty, I’ve not mentioned JayEmm 😀 

[top-plumber]

6 hours ago, pete said:

Think what is hard to believe was your faith in jayemm who has a grudge against lotus

Do you mean James. He who turned up at our meetings, proceeded to re arrange them for us. Told us what’s what, and then vanished like a fart in the wind.... that Jayemm?

[Bibs]

It's not that hard to look at previous posts!! 

 

[top-plumber]

Just now, top-plumber said:

Do you mean James. He who turned up at our meetings, proceeded to re arrange them for us. Told us what’s what, and then vanished like a fart in the wind.... that Jayemm?

Complained endlessly about squeaky seats. No one had the heart to tell him it was his fat arse that was the problem 😂😂

[top-plumber]

4 minutes ago, Bibs said:

It's not that hard to look at previous posts!! 

 

Did you miss my sarcasm there bibs?

[Likuid]

10 hours ago, LotusLeftLotusRight said:

I think one thing we now know is that the Emira is unlikely to be any quicker in a straight line than a 400-on Evora. I can fully understand the owners of those cars being a little hesitant to switch to the new model on that basis. That doesn’t mean they won’t make the jump when any uprated Emira joins the line-up later on. There could well be a stampede for that one!

If you are an Evora S1 owner, then the Emira should be a step up in performance and worth the investment.

Also, looking ahead, what impact will these thousands of new Emiras have on the servicing capacity of our dealers? There will be quite a magnitude of increased demand from end 2022 onwards.

This is kind of where I am at and probably somewhat had to do with my initial disappointment in the Emira. To me the move from my 400 to the Emira feels like a more horizontal move, based on the current performance numbers we have been given. I might drive me 400 1 or 2 days a week during the driving time of year. For 4 or 5 months of the year it sits because of winter. So while the tech and improved looks are very nice, its still hard to justify right now without also seeing a performance jump. I am sure they will get there eventually with the Emira and maybe that day is the day I put in my order.

 

Edited July 13, 2021 by Likuid

[jimichanga]

Is the tech really that great? Definite plus for me with an Evora is that is doesn't have the likes of fatigue alert, lane departure warning and autonomous collision avoidance tech. I've not heard anyone who's driven a recent car with these things who either wanted them or likes them. Looks like electric seats are compulsory too which does not sit well with me! 

[Bibs]

31 minutes ago, top-plumber said:

Did you miss my sarcasm there bibs?

If you scroll up, you'll see I'm referencing posts before your one  

It's like TLF Inception!! 

[pete]

1 hour ago, top-plumber said:

Did you miss my sarcasm there bibs?

I did

[top-plumber]

1 hour ago, pete said:

I did

You miss most thing these days old fella. 

[TdM]

I'll take AEB and eye tracking DMS if they are on offer. They have zero impact on my day to day life except for if something goes wrong, in which case they might just save it.

Lane departure, coffee cup warnings and the like can go swivel though.

[Loquacious Lew]

6 hours ago, Likuid said:

This is kind of where I am at and probably somewhat had to do with my initial disappointment in the Emira. To me the move from my 400 to the Emira feels like a more horizontal move, based on the current performance numbers we have been given. I might drive me 400 1 or 2 days a week during the driving time of year. For 4 or 5 months of the year it sits because of winter. So while the tech and improved looks are very nice, its still hard to justify right now without also seeing a performance jump. I am sure they will get there eventually with the Emira and maybe that day is the day I put in my order.

 

 

That's me.  I want to know more about the development arc planned for the Emira.   I'm looking for the one without the power seats!  I want the tech though and it's gorgeous.    Brilliant if they can keep it aspirational.  It's exciting, can't wait to see a real one.  .  

[jimichanga]

Lane departure needs to be switched off on our 2019 Audi every single time you start the car. If not it tugs at the steering wheel in the most disconcerting way it’s truly awful and more likely to cause an accident than prevent one. If someone can’t stay in their lane on their own they shouldn’t be driving full stop. Hoping that the Emira system is just a warning not active (not be possible with hydraulic steering?) but even having something to turn off every time you drive is annoying. Pre-collision tech is also mind numbingly awful and more likely to cause an accident. The loud alarm and large warning light is often triggered, it would frighten a lot of people into a panic and it activated once completely unnecessarily slamming on the brakes triggering ABS. This is stuff I would much rather NOT have in a Sports car. I’ve never felt drowsy in an Elise because the whole car is designed to make you feel alert and alive! No fatigue warning necessary!

[ramjet]

The car we had previously was a 2015 Honda Accord. The Australian version. The active cruise control would brake quite fiercely if someone moved into the gap that was left between our car and the car in front.

Collision avoidance would brake fiercely because it had to if the driver was not paying attention. We never had that trigger.

Lane departure was not bad and was not disconcerting. If you veered to far over toward a line, the wheel gently pulled the other way. Knowing that it would happen, it was never a cause for concern. The wheel also registers driver input and alerts you if it does not sense driver input after a period of time.

We now have a 2019 Skoda Karoq and the difference in the way these functions operate on it is streets ahead of the Honda. The fierce braking based on a vehicle entering the camera view on a bend on a freeway is gone. The fierce braking that would occur when a car pulls into the set distance from the car in front is also gone.

Much smarter coding in this car's systems. As the car remembers the state that any of these systems are in when the ignition is turned off, it starts with this systems in the same state, so there is no need to turn them off each time.

Massively friendly and nice to use when we drove from Geelong to Sydney, or even from Geelong to Melbourne.

The Karoq also has an electric parkbrake which is also very easy to use. When I first bumped into them in Holdens in 2015, they were bloody horrible.

This Skoda is possibly the best car that Liz and I have ever owned.

[r3nault]

14 hours ago, Likuid said:

This is kind of where I am at and probably somewhat had to do with my initial disappointment in the Emira. To me the move from my 400 to the Emira feels like a more horizontal move, based on the current performance numbers we have been given. I might drive me 400 1 or 2 days a week during the driving time of year. For 4 or 5 months of the year it sits because of winter. So while the tech and improved looks are very nice, its still hard to justify right now without also seeing a performance jump. I am sure they will get there eventually with the Emira and maybe that day is the day I put in my order.

 

Lotus has rarely been the last word in pace. If you really want to go fast, TBH a Golf R with a tune would probably leave most “sports cars” for dead, and you’d save a heap of money. From there, the next step up in pace is a GT3, SF90 or hyper car or whatever those silly things are called. Things where all the driving is done by computers.

Unless one is an absolute driving god or taking their car on track ALL the time chasing the last tenth, beyond a certain point more pace is meaningless. What you get from an Evora 4xx or the Emira is IMHO plenty for public roads and most tracks. What you get in spades over aforementioned Golfs or hypercars is a HUGE smile on your face.

An ideal Emira to me would lose 80-100kg, return to NA power and thus lose 100bhp, plus be 2+2. In other words, a like for like replacement of my Evora S1.

One thing I love about my Evora is I can touch the throttle without instantly losing my licence. So yes, I’m saying I’d actually rather the Emira had a SLOWER version, as it would be more fun at road legal speeds.