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Evora S IPS as a track car?


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Evening all,

New to the forum and am considering getting one of the above as I cannot drive my Elise for long now (or indeed get in it with the roof on!) due to poorly joints but am wondering how it would fair on track? I was impressed with the test drive I had recently and it felt supple on typical British roads and I loved the engine note. Obviously it did not feel as nimble as the Elise but still had that ‘Lotus’ feeling I was hoping for. Question is whether the extra weight is that more noticeable on track?? Also how well does the IPS  cope with the extra track demands?? Would it be worth hanging on for a 400 auto (although I prefer the looks of the earlier car)?

Thanks for any advice/thoughts.

PS Link to my Elise for sale if anyone wants to swap! Hope that is okay - will delete if needed….

https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/12320485

 

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I never tracked my S IPS while I had it, however I found the gearbox to be absolutely fine for me when driving very spiritedly.  Its about learning the box, and gelling with its timing. The slow response times often talked about I found were applicable to normal / full auto mode rather than sport mode.  Under braking, downshifts were almost immediate - notably faster than because it knows you're about to request change.

In Sport mode the changes are nice and quick - but there is a timing element to get used to, and once you do it just becomes second nature.  On full revs, you request the gear on or just after the first red light (the second if you really want to rev it out!)

What it won't do, as you'd expect, is to change down when it can't - i.e. REVs are to high for the change. and also, you can't make multiple requests at once (i.e. two pulls on the paddle for two gears), you have to go through the gears.

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Thanks for the reply - yes I found the ips very good to use on the road, particularly in sport mode with the lovey rev matching, and found it very quickly became intuitive to use.

I have not tried a 400 yet to compare although it is supposed to be an improved system?

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Thanks for the thoughts - really useful, particularly the notes on brake wear/tyres etc which has been echoed by other owners I have spoken to.

Can the IPS software/mechanicals be improved/updated to the later 400 gubbings? Any specialists come up with any further improvements?

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I’m not 100% certain but believe the IPS software on the S1 has been improved as far as Lotus will take it and the 400 software is a different iteration that can’t be used for the S1.

It’s come up recently with people asking about the Emira auto and wondering whether to test drive an S1 or 4xx auto. So I think I read someone else explaining the difference. 

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My understanding is that there were some hardware changes as well as software between the S1 and the 400, so the upgrade cannot be done. 

I considered an S IPS to replace my Manual N/A and it didn't do it for me. The 400 Auto is in my opinion in a different league. Whilst some may argue otherwise, the clue is that I did not trade up to an S IPS but I did to a 400 Auto.

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Currently without a Lotus, Evora 400 Hethel Edition in Racing Green with Red leather and 2010 Evora N/A in Laser Blue and 1983 Lotus Excel LC Narrow body in Ice Blue all sadly gone.

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It’s a matter of personal opinion but I hated the IPS on track when I drove an IPS Exige 350 back to back with an Evora 410 manual.  Objectively IPS changes gear faster than a person but subjectively it feels like you are waiting for the gear you need - which is frustrating on track.  The key area being downshifting in braking zones coming into a corner

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Gear ratios being too long is hardly the fault of the transmission, that's a design issue. At least you gave it some credit for the shift times.

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53 minutes ago, Bibs said:

You should be on the throttle still until your braking point

I have on occasions been on the throttle on track to past my breaking point!  Well at least, to the point where I broke a seal of mine, not the cars, if you know what I mean ;)

When I have had tuition on track, I have heard the instructor shout constantly "brake, brake, brake" or "throttle, throttle, more throttle you Jessie!". Never heard them shout "coast, coast" - well apart from when at Anglesey when he was admiring the sea view while I was eyeballs on stalks looking at the track!  

The other thing to bear in mind is that brake pads are cheap to replace when worn out to slow/stop a car, whilst engines and transmissions are anything but when used for the same purpose. At least that IS what the mechanics tell me.

 

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1 hour ago, Bibs said:

Hi and welcome @Bahaddin Ayan :thumbup:

Please feel free to post up in the introductions sections and share some pics of you GT430 :)

I've always been taught on track that you should be on the throttle or the brake, engine braking isn't an effective route to fast laps times. You should be on the throttle still until your braking point, there shouldn't really be many times that you can coast. 

Slightly more complex than that Bibs but more or less right. Balancing the throttle is key to getting round a corner quickly, so not coasting but also not applying throttle at much of a rate. If you can hit the entry at the right speed then let the car almost roll round to the throttle coming back in as early as possible, then it feels about right.
Re the harvesting thats an entirely different thing and I have no idea as to how much engine braking is good for either slowing or harvesting.

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6 hours ago, Bibs said:

Hi and welcome @Bahaddin Ayan :thumbup:

Please feel free to post up in the introductions sections and share some pics of you GT430 :)

I've always been taught on track that you should be on the throttle or the brake, engine braking isn't an effective route to fast laps times. You should be on the throttle still until your braking point, there shouldn't really be many times that you can coast. 

Hi @Bibs thank you. 

I will post up pics of my car, i am waiting for pics from trackday. 😈
 

If there is very slow corner that has close exit after very high speed long straight, you can earn some time with late and deep braking. When late braking, rev match can very helpful to stop the car. Long ratios cause lost rpm when downshifting. 

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IPS is usable on track for Evora or Exige, but in both cases, this is the weak point of the car. You lost also the feeling of a mechanical gearbox which is huge in a Lotus. Even with an Evora 400 with gearbox optimization (like BOE IPS kit) you will suffer from erractic shifting on specific corners if the the downshift is not done before a too important lateral constraint. But you know an IPS car can be faster than a mechanical or a PDK, also depending of the driver 🙂 (I was contacted for my Exige after a video of guy at Le Mans Bugatti who drives an IPS... in Drive mode #lol ... indeed 1'53 in drive mode.. not too bad )

 

We will see what a gt410 can do 😉

 

@DaveAngel check the BOE Kit and the new kit provided by Komotec for IPS gearbox.

 

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Thanks for that guys - really useful. I think understand the limitations of the IPS as it is and have looked at some kits now being offered to improve it. Will try Hanger 111 and see if they offer the Komotec in the Uk yet...

On the positive side it does perhaps mean you have to 'drive' it more than say a PDK system which does make up for some of the loss of heal and toe etc in a manual??

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