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I reckon it will be all over within a few days. I don’t think the Ukrainian army will put up much of a defence, especially if they have already lost air superiority. They’ll be sitting ducks. Amazing really in this day and age that it can be so simple to invade another country.

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There’ll be a lot of tough talk . But if you look at the links between Russian oligarch money and the governing elite here  - (exposed week after week in the pages of Private Eye )- it’s hard not to think that they all have too much to lose to isolate Putin .
Son of a KGB agent , Lord Yevgeny Lebedev of Siberia ( his genuine title !) sitting in the House of Lords , helping to set British government policy , is the tip of the iceberg . 

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Putin in on a personal crusade to restore greater Russia and ultimately repatriate Alaska, which was a bad deal when it was sold to the USA for $7.2m in 1867.

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Interesting to read the other side of the coin here, that Nato kept expanding eastwards.  

https://news.cgtn.com/news/2022-02-24/Chinese-FM-holds-phone-conversation-with-Russian-FM-Lavrov-17UV2UChaJq/index.html

I think we're well and truly back to cold war times now.

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I think there's an important difference between countries entering a defensive alliance of their own volition and 'expansion' which would suggest an aggressive military growth.

Putin is being petulant because he needs to bolster his position inside Russia and in his own head.

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Putin has made me very unhappy.  He's now an International Terrorist and Criminal who is likely to start WWIII.  

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"I thought it was Lambo" -  Thank you very much and now it's time to educate the Exotic Less.

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1 hour ago, Mark Blanchard said:

Interesting to read the other side of the coin here, that Nato kept expanding eastwards.  

https://news.cgtn.com/news/2022-02-24/Chinese-FM-holds-phone-conversation-with-Russian-FM-Lavrov-17UV2UChaJq/index.html

I think we're well and truly back to cold war times now.

And to be honest - I have some sympathy for putin - but he is still clearly the aggressor here. No one will win that’s a sure fact.

The superstate EU could do with carefully considering the impacts their policies have had over the last 20 years or so in  the raising of tensions to this position we now find ourselves in.

Thankfully Tony Blair is no longer in charge.

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The UK, US, EU and NATO response has also appalled me. Putin will be riding bare chested around Kyiv on his little pony before the west does anything meaningful - By then Ukraine will be a distant memory and all that will be left will be a few Ukrainian flags posted up on Facebook so people can feel they have done something. Absolutely shameful.

Just wait - China will be after Taiwan next.

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2 hours ago, march said:

Just wait - China will be after Taiwan next.

Would not be surprised if there was a little "don't get in our way and we won't get in yours" at the last Putin-Xi photo op love fest. 🤔

China's Xi Jinping and Russia's Vladimir Putin Bromance in Photos

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3 hours ago, march said:

.... Putin will be riding bare chested around Kyiv on his little pony ...

Let's hope he challenges the Mayor of Kyiv to a fist fight then .. 

Phil           Leave me alone I know what to do - I think. 

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35 minutes ago, Redwing said:

I am surprised by the lack of outrage on here for what is happening in Ukraine.

What he’s doing is disgusting chap - the entire world seem sadly unwilling and/or unable to do anything for fear of a nuke strike.

all Russian assets should be seized now worldwide 

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23 hours ago, basalte said:

Errr… Corbyn called yesterday for Russian troops to leave the occupied areas …but of course the Mail spins even that as anti -West . The least trusted newspaper in Britain . 

And Corbyn is one of the least trusted politicians in Britain. But then, these days, it's very hard to trust any politician.

Alcohol. Sex. Tobacco. Drugs. Chocolate.  Meh! NOTHING in this world is as addictive as an Evora +0. It's not for babies!    

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13 hours ago, LotusLeftLotusRight said:

I reckon it will be all over within a few days. I don’t think the Ukrainian army will put up much of a defence, especially if they have already lost air superiority. They’ll be sitting ducks. Amazing really in this day and age that it can be so simple to invade another country.

Remember the 6 day war between Israel and Egypt in the early 70's?  Pre-emptive strike by Israeli Air Force practically wiped out the whole Egyptian air force whilst it was on the ground.

Element of surprise is an amazingly devastating advantage, used to great effect by the Germans at the start of WW2 and the Japanese of course with Pearl Harbour.

PH was an attack of brutal and definitive action but one of the biggest military mistakes ever made as it woke the bear and brought it into the war.

The West lost the initiative when we rolled over and went back to sleep after Putin walked into Crimea. It was a pre-cursor to this and one of the three main routes into Ukraine now.

Alcohol. Sex. Tobacco. Drugs. Chocolate.  Meh! NOTHING in this world is as addictive as an Evora +0. It's not for babies!    

The first guy to ride a bull for fun, was a true hero. The second man to follow him was truly nuts!   

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Russian donations to the Conservative Party 2011-2020. 

£2,955,928.00

And hey presto  it’s “ ooooh look over at that Corbyn!” from the Telegraph brigade …

Lets see whether the wallets close now eh ? 

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