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Sure you are referring to Dover. It’s called Brexit and freedom of travel sadly it works both ways. Still waiting for the benefits of the referendum. Sure there will be the usual suspects that differ on here. Even Boris could not call on the old calling card leave means leave.

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But we did Brexit a few years back, why the big issue this weekend?

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No it’s not just Dover. It’s everything: ferries, trains, planes, ambulances, weather, hospitals, disease, you name it. Whereas before it would get reported in the media, each of these issues is now blown up into a national crisis. They’re really not. They each affect a very small minority of the population. 

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1 hour ago, Bibs said:

But we did Brexit a few years back, why the big issue this weekend?

Could be because we have we have been in a pandemic?

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If my memory serves me correctly we have traffic jams just like this before the brexit vote as well??

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35 minutes ago, scotty435 said:

Could be because we have we have been in a pandemic?

This weekend?! 

1 hour ago, LotusLeftLotusRight said:

It’s everything

You've got a point. A grass fire in Surrey today was declared a major incident. Didn't the farmers used to set their fields on fire as a matter of course? I'm sure that wasn't called a major incident each time. 

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26 minutes ago, Barrykearley said:

If my memory serves me correctly we have traffic jams just like this before the brexit vote as well??

🎣 like i said usual suspects. 😂

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11 hours ago, Bibs said:

But we did Brexit a few years back, why the big issue this weekend?

10 day isolation was a condition of travel last year, this meant that most didn't bother 52 weeks ago.  This has been the first of the "big" travel weekends since Brexit. 

Pre-brexit, entry to the Schengen area required that the "first country" in the EU check that you were the person travelling - did your passport match your face.  Post-Brexit (and this is the same for any non-EU citizen travelling in to the EU), they should now be checking that 1. Your passport matches and there is a mandatory stamp for entry and exit which is required to check 2. that you have not spent more than 90 days in a 180 day period 3. that you have the means to support yourself for the duration of your stay 4. Have accomodation arranged 5. Have a return ticket or exit from the EU booked.

There's always been issues this weekend to be fair, and when things go wrong - as with all traffic bottlenecks - they go badly wrong.  The added checks post-Brexit just exacerbate the problem.

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With regards to the "major incidents" you mention... there are quite a lot of things going Pete Tong (turns out that's not OK to use any more) wrong right now.  Some of it is a bit melodramatic, but as someone with several members of the family in the NHS, Paramedics and other Emergency Services, it really is very much broken right now.

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46 minutes ago, DaveC72 said:

 with several members of the family in the NHS, Paramedics and other Emergency Services, it really is very much broken right now.

Absolutely. I would love to say its nothing to do with Brexit but it is sadly "partly" to do with Brexit due to the number of European health workers who left. Though TBH much of this was due to COVID, but getting back in again has proved longer and more complicated since Brexit. COVID is also to blame for many of the Non European workers in the NHS leaving and going home. Though the rules haven't changed for them since Brexit, infact its now easier if you are qualified in a specialist role such as Nurse, Doctor, Radiologist, etc etc.

Dave is also right that the issues weren't on the UK side, but on the number of French immigration officials. At one point there were 6 on duty and as he also rightly says, the process was "Look at passport on you go" before Brexit and now its about a minute-2 minutes long. Doesn't sound like an issue unless you have a million people going abroad and 6 people checking their passports at a rate of 60 an hour per person!

All this could be sorted easily with more resillience but I suspect the French aren't that inclined to spend money and manpower to assist "The Engleeze and their Brexit type peoples". Something about Farting in our General Direction, Your mother was a Hamster and your father smelt of elderberries etc etc.
 

 

 

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40 minutes ago, Kimbers said:

 

All this could be sorted easily with more resillience but I suspect the French aren't that inclined to spend money and manpower to assist "The Engleeze and their Brexit type peoples". Something about Farting in our General Direction, Your mother was a Hamster and your father smelt of elderberries etc etc.
 

 

 

Or, to play Devil's advocado (sic), from their point of view: "Why are we spending money to fix the problem you created"? 

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1 hour ago, DaveC72 said:

Or, to play Devil's advocado (sic), from their point of view: "Why are we spending money to fix the problem you created"? 

Cause they want our money, 8-10% of their total GDP is Tourism :)

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These accounts appear quite similar to those seen and/or reported over here, wa-a-ayy over on the Pacific coast. "Help Wanted" notices were abundant in many parts of the world some years prior to the pandemic. I wonder whether all this is down to simple mismanagement of succession, as we in Canada have for decades seen ubiquitous contempt for employee tenure. Throw in a demographic "baby bust" cohort and presto(!) - chronic shortage of workers. Comments on the NHS are noted, again over here our fairly comparable system is stressed and broadly falling short of providing the care one should expect. 

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21 hours ago, Kimbers said:

the process was "Look at passport on you go" before Brexit and now its about a minute-2 minutes long. Doesn't sound like an issue unless you have a million people going abroad and 6 people checking their passports at a rate of 60 an hour per person!

Actually my experience is exactly the opposite when traveling to UK and back. We've been on holiday in UK twice since Brexit and both times were amazed how fast we got through border control. Even recently with the requirement for an international passport instead of EU ID-card. In the past we've had annoyingly long waits, while someone was going over each electronic EU ID with a magnifying glass! Especially in Calais, Dover was typically a lot smoother.

On the other hand, I wouldn't be surprised if the French knowingly left the check booths understaffed despite the expected high numbers of travelers...  

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What boils my piss more than the general “sensationalisation”  by the media, is that Climate change has suddenly become the “Climate Emergency!”. Tosh, it’s only an emergency if my grandma spontaneously combusts (PS, she’s dead and was cremated). I had to deliver a report to a regional authority on alternative freight and logistics deliveries. I was asked to amend climate change statements to climate emergency, in line with their transport policies. No, No, No.

I am off to Aus to speak at a conference. My paper is about delivering emergency alert warnings to connected vehicles. Again, my co-author wanted to use the phrase “Climate emergency”, NO!

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They wanted a car to pipe up 'Emergency' if it hadn't rained for a couple of days?! :lol:

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